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Alexandra Craig, Aboriginal Land Rights Lawyer working with and empowering First Nation’s People in Alice Springs



In this week’s episode, Geoff is talking to Alexandra Craig who was a Winner in the 2021 Northern Territory Young Achiever Awards.

I am the winner for the 2021 Northern Territory Young Achiever Awards. I am a native title and Aboriginal Land Rights Lawyer working in central Australia. I am a tribunal member for CAAFL, a residential support worker for Alice Springs Youth Accommodation Support Service and a community sports med trainer for CAAFL. I am originally from Adelaide but have called Alice Springs home since early 2019.

Having completed her undergraduate double degree in Law and Business (Marketing) at the University of South Australia (February 2019). Alex successfully completed her Graduate Diploma in Legal Practice and was admitted as a solicitor/barrister to the Supreme Court of the Northern Territory in July 2019; she is proudly and gainfully employed by the Central Land Council; working with, and empowering our first nation Australians.

Alex finds value and has a strong passion for contract, property and criminal law, native title, social justice and the application of justice within communities and at an international and domestic level; advocating without prejudice.

Having previously represented the University of South Australia at the 2015 International Union for the Conservation of Nature (IUCN) Colloquium at Atma Jaya University in Jakarta, Indonesia presenting a co-written paper on ‘The effectiveness of the participation principle in protecting marine diversity in South Australia’. Alex is also fiercely passionate about the environment.


In this episode:

  • We heard how passionate Alex is about helping those who may have slipped through the gaps
  • And how Alex sees her anxiety as her super power!!
  • What was Alex’s ethos? Get involved, take on challenges and assist those less fortunate


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Welcome to the Inspirational Australian’s podcast  where we check the people making  a difference in their communities

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and in the lives of others.  And here is your host  for today. Geoff Griffin.

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We really appreciate it.

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My guest today  is passionate about working with and empowering our first nation Australians.

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She  completed her undergraduate degree in law and business

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in marketing

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in Adelaide,

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and also has a strong passion

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to contract property in criminal law,  native title,  social justice, and the application of justice within communities. It’s  a mouthful and she does a lot. You’ve got to love it,  so stick with us. Her significant community and professional contribution to first  nation people.  Alex Craig was awarded

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mcdonald’s into  career achievement award in  the twenty twenty one twenty

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young achievement Awards  which was held earlier this year

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in the Peach casino resort.  It’s such an honor to  have you on the podcast, Alex, welcome.

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Thanks, Geoff. That was  a very kind introduction. It’s great to be here.

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Well, you are  a powerhouse you’ve done so much

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so much once you’ve won  the career achievement  award and

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what you do also is so purposeful,

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meaningful and makes the difference.

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Then not all of us have the ability to say  what we might my so it is such  a thrill to talk with you. And I’m going to unpack some of your career. Why?  Certainly by starting

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with what led you  to an undergraduate degree in law and  business in the first place. I

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am  the I come from  a long line of

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lawyers. I am the sixth generation of lawyer in my family

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and  proudly the first female. But

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when I was 12 and kind of agonizing about what to do,  I had a conversation with my dad was  a lawyer and said I’m thinking about doing law and he said don’t do it,  don’t do it. You hide it, just don’t do it. And I said, yeah,  I thought long and hard about that. And then I had  a gap year and I went to work at a commercial law firm in Adelaide for  a year to see how I liked it and it definitely didn’t put me off. So I hit the  books and the  full scope, so

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yeah  it was just the combination of the business degree and the law degree made sense.

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So just an aside, how many times when you were growing up,  did you say

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to your dad when he told you what to do with your mum for that matter?  I object and you cross-examine and we could

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no,  I don’t think that was any of that. I think it was more so

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like friends of ours that  would come over.

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I mean where that was we had no point of reference. That was just  the normal us dad going going to Court sometimes being on the news because the  client then. Yeah, that was, it was all very normal. So yeah,  there wasn’t too much of that.

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They should had some grounding. But what was to come  in, you know,  I’m sure  at the University of South Australia represented at the uni,  at the twenty fifteen International Union for the

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conservation that’s called  totoday.

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We present to the current Piper, didn’t you?  Can you

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tell us about

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the Piper, the trip and your passion for the environment?Yeah.

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So I undertook an elective at University for environmental  law. And I had  a fabulous lecturer at the University who really took me under her wing.

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And we  wrote this  the concept of the tyko is basically like under the South Australian marine parks  act,  there was provision for community participation in the declaration and management  of the marine parks.

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And basically we were looking into objectively,  how

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effective community participation  is in protecting marinediversity.

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So that was the paper

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and it was basically about the no fishing  zones

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and South Australians are very passionate about fishing and the interaction  about how the community’s involvement can achieve.

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Basically conservation for these really important.

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Yeah. Like the biodiversity,  I guess the trip  we were lucky enough that we were given an opportunity to go to Jakarta,  to present the paper. And that was my first time overseas with the University

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was  unlike anything I’d ever experienced before. I think the,

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the academic world is one like

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no other.

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We presented the paper at the colloquium  and there were people that obviously this is before covid,  people there from all over the world. And as a

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student,  just lapped it up. So

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would have been such an experience.  Yeah  it was.

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After completing your degree  you move to the Northern territory and you accepted  a casual contract

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with the central Australian women’s legal service whilst

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completing you graduate  the legal practice. How did you find the transition to the territory,  the work you are doing

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and the additional scrutiny?

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Managing all that at once?

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Yeah, I remember it being  a very busy time of

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my life. But one that I look back with  fondness  I think

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the central Australian women’s legal service.

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They’re  a fantastic organisation in Alice Springs with only female practitioners. And I was  assisting with the community legal education program.

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Yeah,  I just remember being very, very busy  but I’m still living in Alice Springs. So all of that doing all of that at once  didn’t put me off. I still hear

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clearly very clearly the  universality of it there  and such a beautiful

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place. Alice, in the territory, it’s  such  a beautiful place. I love my visits to the territory and it’s so good.

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And after successfully completing your diploma and of course  admission as an officer of the Supreme Court of the Northern territory and also the  high Court of Australia. Congratulations. By

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the way. Thank you. Now look  at the  central land

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council aclc.  Can you tell us about your role,  what’s involved as well?

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Yeah,  so

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the central land council is an indigenous commonwealth statutory body.  My  role at the say is as  a regional

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lawyer for the South East of Alice Springs. So

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I do  predominantly native title

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and Aboriginal land rights act. So I provide legal  advice to native title holders, community

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residents and traditional owners  about many things. But the main things

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are mining matters. If  a mining company

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wants to mine on Aboriginal land  we provide legal advice and assist to negotiate those agreements

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and then

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assisting and advising in relation to economic development on Aboriginal land.  And  I basically advise from the acquisition, use  and occupation and management of that land. So

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it keeps me busy  but it means I’m very lucky

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that I get to visit some really remote Aboriginal  communities and meet some really incredible people.

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Yeah  it would be fascinating and beautiful to see this native landscape  the beautiful people.

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Yeah, I can only imagine how wonderful it would be,  but it must be  a little bit complex as well as some of this law

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would be very involved and complex.

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I think that’s one of the

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things that I really love about work in the field say  no two days are the same every,  every day is different. But I think I take  the most enjoyment from navigating  complex legal situations or matters for people in our community. Who are

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AFL, I mean,

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yeah, I think that’s,  that’s why I do what I do.

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And clearly you do well.  You’ve been in the  territory and

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particularly Alice Springs now for  a while.

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What are some of the other things you get involved in?  I know you’re involved with the community sports as a community sports made,  trying to see the AFL.  Tell us about that and what else are you up to?

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So yeah,  I do. Some sundaes. Go down and support the community football program. So that’s  all the remote

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communities they come in and play footy

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on  a Sunday. So I assist with sports sportsmen.

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So that’s just prevention management  of injuries. What it looks like is someone

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maybe doing typing first aid on the  football game. I’m really passionate about football in the center because I think  the

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benefits of football last  a lot longer

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after that final siren goes. I think it really has

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an incredible  purpose here.

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The other thing that I do with  AFL until the seeWAFL

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up here is that I’m  a tribunal

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member. That  something that kind of came about through doing sports,  made it on the tribunal and sit on matters where players the charged with

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various offenses. And I think that experience has been incredibly formative.  What  else can I do?

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I am  a residential support

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worker at the Alice Springs youth accommodation support  service.

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I got involved with that

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organization because I think

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sometimes it feels  say we’re dealing with bigger picture things that I think the thing that I love  most about myself is when I

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get to Liaise with clients and have that client

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contact  and build that relationship. And so that’s why I kind of got involved with ASICs. I  mainly assist with the moms and Bob’s house, so

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that’s  a home that they have. And it’s the 12 to twenty year old

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Northern territory  females who are pregnant or expecting.

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And really that’s where they go when they’ve  got nowhere else to go. So it’s about providing a

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roof over their heads,  meals structure,  making sure they go to school

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if that’s what they want to achieve. And

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yet  I found,  you know, moving to the territory,  the territory territory is being quite

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new. But I think what’s made the transition  really

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easy or easier has been to get involved

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as much as I can. And that’s what  I’ve tried to do here.

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Well, it sounds very rewarding  and very,  very important as well. What do you actually enjoy most about your work in the  broader picture?

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Well, I’ve just come so lost weight.  I’ve just come back from  a four day Bush trip. We were

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at remote doing  a native title authorization

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because I’m still  still learning the ropes and I’m  still what they would classify. A baby lawyer I haven’t been practicing for for  a very long time, probably three, three  or four years. I’m still really enjoying learning,  like I think every day

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I’m thrown into situations where I’ve

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never experienced  those matters before and I’m just enjoying learning

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and just the challenge. I think  it’s been really, really interesting.

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Just  a little tip. We’re always learning

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stuff, but  I think it’s probably  a bit more interesting learning new around you  a little bit of what you already know. Yeah,

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I think it’s  a combination. Yeah. The combination of being able to go to  a really remote places in Australia

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and then dealing with really interesting  parts  of the law.

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Yeah.  That would be  a very fascinating and beautiful to see it all come together and to meet new people  and particularly those that you’re making  a difference for. So that would be pretty cool.

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I mentioned earlier  you won the twenty twenty one mcdonald’s entry career achievement award.

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Congratulations, by the way on. That

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must’ve been  a real

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thrill to

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to win that award.

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Well,  on the night I won the award. I actually had gastro  so I couldn’t fly up to Darwin. Probably a good idea and

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not be on  a plane. I to be nasty.

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So it was definitely  a thrill.

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Yeah, no, I was really honored to win,  not what it was really unexpected. But I really firmly believe that

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those Awards

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are recognition not just of

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finalist,  but of the organizations that they work and involved themselves with

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a hundred percent that’s spot on. And I say to people

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all the time,

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it’s not just the person that wins an award, it’s the collective,

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the people that work with those around them  those that

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support them. And the people that help  in whatever it is that they’redoing

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such a broad impact.

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And appreciation  for, for the achievements  and we never do things on our own. All of our achievements are never an individual  thing that

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often a collective

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can be  a small or large collective of people supporting and making  a difference and contributing in some way. So yeah,

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one hundred percent. Right. And more with the

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Awards nominations for the current  program. We’re closing soon.

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Would you encourage  our listeners to nominate someone  and if so, why?

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Yeah, absolutely. I think

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because of the reasons you said,  I mean it’s the collective  it’s about providing recognition to someone in the community who’s doing really  important work, but also shining  a lot on the people they work with and for

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Yeah  absolutely. If any of our listeners would like to find out how to nominate someone  or more about sponsor partnership opportunities,  check out the Awards Australia dot com website

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I,  what’s something we might not

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know about you?

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What’s troubling you?  I not know about me.

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I have  lost my partner, and I bought  a house in l’esprit.

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That’s exciting.

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Yeah,  so that’s been very exciting.

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That’s one thing I guess

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and the other thing is  I’m quite a big nerd. I’m impartial to what of the rings star like?  Guilty  pleasure. Right. And I think

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So you bought  a house with your partner that’s. That’s very exciting. Yeah. Like all these nerdy  type shows. That’s pretty cool.

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Tell it what else to do in your spare time  Besides watching TV shows come on

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I play Netball here in Alice  Springs,  we are renovating the house that we bought

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So that’s been really exciting.

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And  just spending  a lot of I think it’s important because I

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am quite busy in my professional life  it’s a thing I found and,  and to have that downtime. So that might be

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taking  a walk with the dogs or

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going to the gym with a girlfriend or listening to  a podcast. So I do really enjoy my downtime.

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I think there’s something valuable  there for everybody. When you’re busy in your life,  you really need some time to yourself, whatever that means,  whether it’s you and your partner, whether it’s to buy yourself,

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whether it’sa

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fitness  regime, whatever it is,  you need to find something that will help you to step aside from the anxiety  the stress and busyness of daily life. I think that’s, that’s awesome. To hear,  definitely that you’re around all those records,  you need to be in your job. It would be high stress. Yeah.

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It is  but I think I’m very lucky. We’ve got  a very good work culture. I remember when I first started there

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and I sent an email  on a Saturday, and my manager came up to me. She’sa

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very strong intelligent lady.  And she said, why are you sending an email on  a Saturday? She was like, we don’t do that,  we don’t need to do

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that. And I think there’s,

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you know,  people that I went to law school with,  but I feel,  yeah,  I feel

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sad for them and sorry for them that I mean,  across our industry. I mean, I think I’m one of the fortunate ones,  but it’s not always the case and I think

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there needs to be more

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leaders in our  industry that create those boundaries. So that others practitioners,  we do get that time to recuperate and recharge,

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recouping and recharging are really important as we say that however you do that.  Whatever works.

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You need to find that way and make sure you  really take time to do  it

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because it is critical as  life becomes busier and busier with technology,  you remember because you probably weren’t born,  but that technology ideally was there to give us more time to ourselves. But it’s  actually been the opposite that

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an escape from emails and the expectation  that we will respond. So

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I think boundaries is  a fantastic principle.  What are the driving passions that makes Alex tick?

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One of the driving. That’s a great question.

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I think I

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grew up in  a family that took a lot of pride and placed  a lot of weight on life. I know that I’m extremely fortunate  to have gone to school to have graduated from University and to now be working. And  I think that how lucky I am was never

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I never didn’t know that I  was lucky. And I think because I am, I’ve grown up

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in  a privileged situation where we’re always taught that there’s an obligation on  those of us that come from that privilege to

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see those in our community who  are

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less fortunate, who have slipped through the cracks. And I think,  well,  definitely in my, in my profession you encounter people

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that Yeah,  they have slipped through the cracks, but they’re still someone’s son  someone’s brother, someone sister

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and everyone has  a story. And that story deserves to be told that that’s what makes me tick. I guess  because I’m passionate about advocating for those who are less fortunate.

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What’s  a good reason to take because they’re all very purposeful. And it’s great principle  to live by. And you’re right and everybody, you know, our motto is to make  a difference, but

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we can’t.

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If we can’t, everybody in the world would be such  a nicer place to be  a part of and we would all feel much more confident happy about ourselves as  individuals.

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Oh absolutely. Yeah. I think that’s absolutely true.

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But there must be  times when it all gets a little too much. You’re feeling  a bit low.

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What do you do to help sit

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back and recharge yourself?

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Oh, absolutely.  I haven’t really spoken about this publicly too much  but  I do suffer from anxiety. And there’ve been

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periods in mylife

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where I’ve been quite sick with anxiety and I don’t think I

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recognized it at  the time. But I think as I’ve gotten older and my support network has really shown  up for me,  I think I’ve been able to manage it and now I manage it quite well

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on my own. And I  feel like the things that have assisted Managing my

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anxiety and both have been  exercise one,sleep

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spending quality time with the people that I

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love. Yeah. Whether that be

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yes  as I said before, like a walk with the dogs or a coffee with a girlfriend ora

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time with the family.  They’re all things that I know now that recharge and  my batteries when I’m feeling

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fine. But I also think it’s quite normal.  So I think  it’s really normal to have those ebbs and peaks and troughs in your life. And I  think we’re not meant to be happy all the

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time. And I’m really passionate about  being really honest about my experience. So that

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others feel more comfortable  or you know,  they don’t feel abnormal or they don’t feel that

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because they’re battling  a mental illness or feeling

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not quite themselves that that’s OK.  But it’s taken me  I’m twenty eight, twenty eight in  a couple of days. Taking me twenty eight years to feel comfortable saying that

[00:25:29] Geoff

Yeah, it’s a tough one, isn’t it?  And the problem is we don’t feel comfortable,  we feel ashamed. We feel embarrassed. Whatever it is. And it builds up and all the  things that you talked about that you do to help relieve that stress. And that  anxiety,

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thanks for sharing that with us.

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Our old tried and tested and brilliant ways,  all of them or some of them for all of us to take on board and utilize.  And if you don’t have a network around you that you can talk to, there’s always  a

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lifeline. And

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just pick up the phone and chat to someone  even if it’s not about your problems, your anxiety,  whatever it is that’s getting you low, just chat,

[00:26:15] Geoff

just talking sometimes

[00:26:17] Geoff

or listen to someone else’s problems.  Is  a help as well. And the thing that I hear from most of our young achiever  finalists  and winners  is that they’re so inspired by the fact that there are others  like them that are working so hard to make  a difference. But they all have their moments,  their highs and lows and to know that there are others like them in the same  position  is really helpful. It’s really  comforting,  but also motivating. So it’s great to be able to tell your story. And I think we’d  all be surprised how many people  for exactly the same position  and you’re  right. It’s. Yeah,  yeah. So it is nice to think that we could be happy all the time. It’s probably not  a reality.

[00:27:11] Geoff

But we need to deal with how we

[00:27:14] Geoff

cope with those online moments  and how  we set out, reset ourselves. It sounds like, yeah,  yeah.

[00:27:22] Geoff

You got your head screwed on pretty good.

[00:27:26] Alex

Thanks Geoff. Yeah, I mean  the flip side of having anxiety is it’s kind of, I think it is a bit of  a superpower. An  anxious mind is thinking about all the possibilities of what could go wrong. So in  that sense,  I feel like that always overprepare.

[00:27:47] Alex

And I think that’s one of my strengths as well  as one of my

[00:27:50] Alex

weaknesses. But

[00:27:52] Alex

I know that  you know, that is me. And I’ve,  I’m comfortable with saying that.

[00:27:59] Alex

Yeah,  I live with anxiety and I manage my own body. Yeah. As you said  there are many of us out there

[00:28:07] Alex

that do exactly the same. So

[00:28:10] Alex

I think it’s all about  letting,

[00:28:12] Alex

letting people know that they’re not alone.

[00:28:16] Geoff

100 percent

[00:28:17] Geoff

anxieties caused from  stress and we all feel stress. It’s how we deal with that stress

[00:28:22] Geoff

that defines  the  outcome at any particular time.

[00:28:27] Geoff

We were designed to have stress and  I guess,

[00:28:31] Geoff

going back historically,  fear is an important fact in our lives to be able to deal with the situation. And  we’re still faced with it every single day,  multiple times. How we deal with that is, is really critical to how we,  how we grow and live within  a given situation.

[00:28:54] Annette


[00:28:54] Geoff

what’s next for Alex?

[00:28:57] Alex

What is next?  I see  so I’m really loving my time in central Australia.

[00:29:05] Alex

I have no plans  to move at the moment. I

[00:29:10] Alex

have enrolled in  a masters of law at the Australian National University  so I’ll be starting that next year. And I’m saying that I’m here so that I’m  accountable.

[00:29:22] Geoff

Exactly. We’ll come back and find out.

[00:29:26] Alex

Yeah  I guess it’s a bit of a bit of an unknown  but I think as long as I keep living  my ethos which is get involved

[00:29:37] Alex

take on challenges  and assist those who are less fortunate. I think I think the  future is bright.

[00:29:44] Geoff

I think you could well be right.

[00:29:48] Geoff

Do you have any words  of wisdom you’ve already given us many,

[00:29:51] Geoff


[00:29:51] Geoff

you have any other words of wisdom from listeners?

[00:29:56] Alex

And I think  going back to what you said before,  I think

[00:30:00] Alex

the main thing is

[00:30:01] Alex

and it sounds really cliche

[00:30:04] Alex

is just be kind I think be  kind be on a

[00:30:09] Alex

trusted gut and start writing with  a big list person. I think if it’s written on a leaf,  forget what you’re doing and I think it lists  a great goal setting and taking things off and

[00:30:23] Alex

on and making things happen. So

[00:30:25] Alex

I  guess there might be four words of wisdom of little

[00:30:31] Alex

bits of advice.

[00:30:33] Geoff

They’re good bits of advice or at least

[00:30:36] Geoff

it gets too long

[00:30:38] Geoff

to procrastinate,  but I’m not,

[00:30:41] Geoff

not admitting to that.

[00:30:42] Geoff

And the list goes too long. So I think I’m not going

[00:30:46] Geoff

to be  stressful and depressing.

[00:30:49] Alex

But how does it feel when you take those things off the  list? I

[00:30:55] Geoff

transferred from one Patrick mcgorry to the next,

[00:30:58] Geoff

which doubles my workload. But

[00:31:00] Geoff

now it is very good when you’re it off. I

[00:31:03] Geoff

couldn’t  agree more. And I always

[00:31:04] Geoff

ask people who are a bit old fashioned  to keep  a hard copy diary so they can take

[00:31:09] Alex

interesting, hard copy  hard copy diary all the way.

[00:31:13] Geoff

Yeah, I’m not the only one. I’m  not the only one is  a young one that does the same  It’s not just for us out of this.  Where,  where

[00:31:25] Geoff

can our listeners connect with you online or get involved in some of the  things that you do?

[00:31:30] Alex

I would welcome any listeners to contact me on LinkedIn or via my Instagram handle,  so it’s Alexander Craig on the school and of course,  and feel free to write chat there.

[00:31:44] Geoff

So I

[00:31:44] Geoff

signed with the LinkedIn, Alexander Craig,

[00:31:48] Alex

I think so. I’ll give it

[00:31:49] Geoff

to you and we can put it in the photo. OK.

[00:31:54] Geoff

Well,  Alex,  it’s been an absolute pleasure to chat with you today to have you on the podcast  has been a true inspiration for many,

[00:32:02] Geoff

including myself.

[00:32:03] Geoff

Thank you.  You’re an amazing young woman. You have  a lot to give and to do that

[00:32:09] Geoff

you’re balanced.

[00:32:12] Geoff

None of us are perfect,  but your

[00:32:14] Geoff

balance as you can be,

[00:32:15] Geoff

and you’re  a great role model to so many so

[00:32:19] Geoff

thanks so much for sharing some of your story with  us today.

[00:32:22] Alex

Thanks Jack. It’s been wonderful to come on here and have this chat with  you today.

[00:32:27] Geoff

Good luck with your future for all that you’re doing to help  make  a difference in the lives of people in

[00:32:34] Geoff

the territory and Beyond. I’m sure one day

[00:32:38] Geoff

and into next week I hope everybody’s really enjoyed listening

[00:32:42] Geoff

to my chat with Alex  today and remember,  please be kind and together  we make  a difference. I hope you enjoyed today’s interview as much as I have. We would love  you to subscribe to our podcast,  that you won’t miss

[00:32:58] Geoff

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[00:33:49] Geoff

Stay safe.

[00:33:50] Geoff

And remember  together we make  a difference.

[00:33:55] Alex

Thanks for joining us today on inspirational australian’s podcast.

[00:33:59] Annette

We  hope you enjoyed listening

[00:34:00] Annette

and have been inspired

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[00:34:04] Annette

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[00:34:06] Annette

So it’s goodbye for another week. Remember, together  we make  a difference.