In this week’s episode, Geoff is talking to Glen Cook who was a Winner in the 2021 QLD Community Achievement Awards, Synaco Safety Awards.
Glen ‘Cookie’ Cook is an International Powerline Safety Specialist / Speaker. He is very passionate advocate for electrical / powerline safety and works closely with workers in the Agricultural, Aviation and Construction industries, speaking face to face of his experiences regarding powerline safety.
Cookie is the driving force behind the successful powerline mapping ‘look up and live’ app. Cookie was the Health and Safety Professional of the year at the Australian Workplace Health and Safety Awards in 2020 and also received a Queensland Community Achievement Award for Safety in 2021.
In this episode:
- We learnt that power line incidents are often caused by “inattentional blindness” which is the failure to notice a fully-visible, but unexpected object because attention was engaged on another task
- Stay in your car if you are in it or away from a car if you are a bystander. Phone 000 and Stay Cool, Wait! If you are moving away from the vehicle jump with your feet together.
- The Look up and Live App is free to everyone – download it now so you have it if you ever need it
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Want to chat or contact Cookie – he’s happy to chat and give advice.
His email is: glen.cooke@energyq.com.au and his mobile is: 0418 443 994
Check out the website and download the app for free at www.lookupandlive.com
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Transcript
[00:00:05] Annette
Welcome to the Inspirational Australians podcast with a chat to people, making a difference in their communities and in the lives of others. And here is your host for today. Geoff Griffin.
[00:00:21] Geoff
Welcome to the Inspirational Australian podcast stories of inspiring achievements and community contribution. Every week we will celebrate an award program category. Winner or finalist. We hope you’ll be inspired and encouraged to know that Australia is in good hands, together with our corporate partners and not for profit partners, Awards, Australia, showcase ordinary people from right across Australia. Doing extraordinary things. If you enjoy hearing the stories of our Inspirational Australians, please subscribe. Write us and review us. We really appreciate it. This week’s Inspirational Australian podcast guest is Glen Cook, better known as Cookie. Cookie has been an electrician for 29 years and is passionate about Powerline safety. He’s actually a specialist. I’m really keen to know what that actually means. Cookie. Welcome to the podcast.
[00:01:20] Glen
Yeah, thanks Geoff.
[00:01:22] Geoff
Good to have you on board and I’m obviously the question I’ve got to ask first is, what is a Power line safety specialist.
[00:01:34] Glen
Our spies might see someone that knows all about the laws and legislation around Power lines. You know how high they’ve got to be in the exclusion zones that are random for workers and how to work safely around them. But I suppose it’s being Electrical safety specialists too. So being an electrician for all these years, I’ve done all the Electrical inspector as well. So I’ve done over 300 shock investigations. So I’ve been around Electrical safety for, for a long time. But I hope the businesses, you know, in particular help them become more compliant with the laws and legislation around Power lines. Because people are just sort of unaware of some of those factors when they need to work near them to keep their people safe. And you know, the general community as well when they’re interacting around Power lines, whether they be overhead or Underground. So I’ve got a lot of knowledge on the standards and the, and the codes of practice and the legislation around that. So
[00:02:33] Geoff
yeah, 100 per cent. It’s not something people would regularly think about, That’s for sure. So what sparked excuse the pun, your interest in Powerline safety and how did you get involved initially?
[00:02:45] Glen
Oh, look, I’m blessed. I’ve been in the industry for its actually 30 years now, so clicked over to the big three zero. So, you know, being in that space. I was more of a worker you know, climbing poles, dig holes, and I put Power lines back up, work through numerous site lines and that type of stuff, you know, dealing with people on safety. But I was a, basically a supervisor there for a while now. I moved around, I’ve done a lot of work up Mainly in Cairns and Cape York. I was, I was working on I did three years on Thursday island as well. I moved to Harvey Bay nearly 11 years ago. And one of the first jobs I had to do was a fatality involving a person that accidentally contacted overhead Power lines. So that really did spark more interest. And the reason why it did, I suppose is, you know, I’ve got this phone call and someone said, there’s something going on down the road. I think someone’s hit some of the Power lines. And it was only about four or five or 10 metres from our Depot. In Harvey Bay, and I was the supervisor and you know, all my guys are out of town working and I went all jumped in the vehicle, going to look what’s going on. You know? So as I started driving Dorian towards the site, I look to my right and I could see an elevator work platform and I could see some paramedics on it. And then you could see that they are trying to revive the person. And I’ve gone and I thought to myself, why me? Because it’s selfish, I know, but I’ve actually been to numerous fatalities and numerous incidents where people have been involved in these incidents. So I was like, why me again? Because it’s not nice, right? It is absolutely not nice to see this stuff and then you know, you just feel so much empathy for the, the families and the businesses and everyone involved. But what made this one worse, I suppose is I look to my left. And it’s the hobby by high School and it’s lunchtime and there’s like 80 to 100 kids all lined up on the fence. And they’ve seen this, this person accidentally electrocuted himself, so he did die on this particular day. So, you know, that really did spark my interest because I’m like, you know, why don’t people understand, if you get too close, that it can get you in very easily kill you. Right. And why don’t people understand the laws and the legislation around it because it’s there for a very obvious reason. But yeah, sort of fell into it in that respect, I suppose because my employer then in that investigation found that by interviewing me that I’ve been involved with numerous fatalities because I was a senior inspector up in Cairns. So I dealt with a lot of fatalities and then I was asked by the business to change my career path. And I wasn’t too keen on that you, I was like, safety. No one the safety going nuts as you’re aware of this. And then they sort of made a little bit worse, I say what’s, what’s the, what’s the title? And they said, all community Health and safety advisor. I was like, sounds like you’re hearing condoms in the hospital. So were just like, no, no, no. And then I found out more about it and it would, you know, it would be more of an educational type role. You know, getting to people face to face and, and try to help people understand, you know, what it is to safely work around Power lines. So I suppose, 11 years ago, I certainly didn’t envisage being in safety, and I certainly didn’t think that I’d win Awards for what I’m doing. But as you probably already worked out, I’m pretty passionate about it. Right?
[00:06:18] Geoff
Well, I think that’s a good thing. Was that particular incident that you referred to, the turning point that made it so passionate or was that a build up of, you know, the fatalities the injuries and the
[00:06:30] Glen
situation? I think it was more. Yeah. It was the actual incident to be honest because when I pulled up and seen the kids and you know and then yeah, being approached with the role as well. Right. And like I had no idea I could get up and talk in front of a group. I had no idea I could do that One of the first things I thought I’m like I’ll, you know, was they said, you know, you do presentations and stuff for groups of people. I’m like, I’ll find a way to get around that. And I still remember the first one I did, I felt really good about it until I went crop. So And, you know, I had guys lined up to shake my hand and I’ll say thanks a lot. I learned so much. I had no idea and you know, thanks for doing this and also all of a sudden it started feeling really good about what I was doing. You know, and I’ve gone off actually touched a few people and you know, one guy even said to me, I think he might have saved my life. You know, tomorrow I’m going out and we’re working near Power lines. I didn’t know any of that stuff. So, you know, knowing that, and I know now and in the past 11 years, I know that I’ve stopped incidents from happening, which hopefully means that I’ve stopped someone from being severely hurt, injured or even killed. Right. So that’s what keeps me going and just the positive feedback, the people give you when you get in front of them and do a talk. You know, it’s easy just to say, you know, stay away from Power lines. But as humans, we’ve got to be convinced, right. And we absolutely love talking to each other, putting ads and all the rest of it out there. People don’t like to take that in. It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s understanding what actually occurs and how things happen and why it is these incidents happen all the time. Yeah,
[00:08:11] Geoff
absolutely. Who do you speak to? What would your main audience Fay?
[00:08:16] Glen
Look at 95 per cent of these incidents. Right. I’ll give you a bit of a stat. So in Queensland alone on a weekday there will be two to three incidents of someone hitting an overhead Power line. Very particular. Okay. That includes the wires, the poles, the state wall, stuff like that and also the Underground Power lines drawn. But it’s Mainly workers. So it’s people out there doing the work around around Power lines that absolutely don’t see them. Let me ask you, what do you reckon gets hit more overhead? ? Power lines around the ground. Have a bit of a guess.
[00:08:51] Geoff
I would have said and granted you can’t see them.
[00:08:54] Glen
Yeah, no. 25 overhead Power lines strikes to one on the grand canal. Right? So twenty five over here. So when I first started this role, I see it’s a bit naive, I suppose. But you sort of go, why can’t people, you know, you think I see people just doing, you know, risky work or, but what it is when you speak to people that have hit it, I say what will happen? And they all go Cookie, I 100 per cent, knew it was there. I just didn’t see it. So once I realized that as an electrician and a bloke working in the pale on industry, I 100 per cent. See them. I got on holidays and my wife Monica has always taken photos of Power lines again and my kids are laughing at me and oh yeah. I might be a bit weird. You know what I mean, but that
[00:09:39] Geoff
seems to be right.
[00:09:41] Glen
Yeah, yeah. You know, you see different construction, you take photos of it, you’re always saving stuff to show people, you know. Yeah. And just understanding that people don’t. Absolutely don’t see it. Right. And it’s because of one thing, it’s called inattentional blindness. It’s a human factor. Every human has it, I have said paylines a built to a standard to be out of your reach and your normal everyday life mowing the lawn in the front yard, you know, working around the house. It’s safe enough for you to do your normal work. Once you start doing guttering or roofing, or cutting trees, all bets are off right now you’re going to impact stuff. I’m like I said 95 percent of it is people using, you know, cranes, farm machinery, you know, elevator work platforms. All this gear that can now get high enough to actually reaching the exclusion zone or reach the Power line. And this inattentional blindness that I was talking about is just that one point in time when your brain doesn’t recognize the risk. So your brain is trying to constantly conserve Energy, so it picks what you want to see or determine what’s interesting, important to you. So because the Power lines are normally out of your reach in Europe with their lives, your brain says you don’t need to worry about the Power lines. And it basically blots out the Power. So an example, you come to a T in a section in your car and you look and left for rights for cars and trucks and you missed the bloke on the motorbike of the pushback. Does that ever happen to you?
[00:11:14] Geoff
Yeah, well it’s certainly not really
[00:11:17] Glen
true. That’s right. And it’s because of inattentional blindness because you’re not looking for a bike or a motorbike because there’s more cars and trucks so you do miss them. And that’s what happened with Power lines. Your brain actually just blots it. Out because it’s not interesting and important to you. Right? But understanding that you’re, you know, you’re always keen to see her on, it’s like the old saying in Star Wars that Obi-Wan Kenobi said they trust your eyes. They can deceive you, right? So it’s very true in when you’re out working near Power lines with the equipment that can go high or reach Power lines, it happens more often than, than people think. And you know, even myself not being in that space as a, as a worker working for my employer. When I got into this role or suddenly seen it and seeing the stats come through, that it happened, you know, two or three times a day. And that doesn’t even include, you know, motor vehicle accidents that are out of control that might run into a Power pillar. There’s thousands more of those incidents that occur. But there’s nothing I can sort of do to stop that. I mean, you know, we’ve got traffic and you know, police and traffic management things trying to stop things, incidents happening like that. But I sort of got to concentrate on more, you know, the workers trying to make sure that they’re aware of what will happen, because a lot of people just don’t realize how dangerous Power lines can be if you reach summary, interact with something wrong.
[00:12:47] Geoff
I guess education would be really important in businesses that might be associated with this
[00:12:52] Glen
topic. Yeah, yeah. And that’s getting back to what your question was, are supposed to talk to its workers, Mainly the high risk industries that I’ve identified or we’ve identified their role in agriculture, construction aviation tree life and stuff like that. So people that are in those industries, they’re in a higher risk category. So we try and get in front of, of those workers. And look, I used to do a better, an hour to an hour and a half to sometimes some large conferences and stuff. So, you know, just last late, last year I did the training Council of Australia. It’s the, the Crane association for Australia. So talking to business owners of these cranes to try and help them be more aware of what their workers need. Because, you know, in essence, we are setting people up to fail by sending them out with no plan to work around overhead Power lines. Because as I said before, workers, you just don’t see them. You got so much other stuff going on. You’ve got, you know, using a Crane example, you got your lift plan, you got to, you know, where to go and say, Where’s this being dropped down to you talking to different people on site. And I say with a farmer he’s got, you know, spray rights and I, where am I, you know, ploughing to where my harvesting to, you know, Where’s the whole vehicle is all these other things going on? If you haven’t set the initial plane for the Power line hazard, it’s really easy to Miss. And that’s what happens. You know, it’s no one’s fault, it’s, it’s their incidents that are 100 per cent preventable, but you just need a plane. And that’s what I’ve found that everybody that it hit a Power line, absolutely had no plan to work around it. Yeah, well,
[00:14:34] Geoff
what are some of the most important factors to be aware of? You know, there are certain types of Power lines that are more dangerous and it’s probably a silly comment. But
[00:14:45] Glen
now I always say to people sort of start and you know, my talks, I’ll sort of explain why I’m so passionate about it. You know, that incident I spoke about before and so, you know, it gets people interested in what look what you do need to understand as well is and I would say to people, knowledge is the best defense when it comes to Power on safety or Electrical safety in particular, if you understand how electricity works, it can save you all your life in emergency situation in particular, but also save your life if you can understand a plan around it. So the way electricity works, it wants to complete a circuit, right? So always use a 12 Volt battery example so that you know, a 12 Volt battery in your car. It wants to travel on a complete circuit to get from the positive terminal around to the negative terminal, going through a switch and lights, the lights in your car, right? ? When it completes the circuit, electricity is really happy, right? ? And it wants to do it on the quickest and easiest way that it can and normally that’s through circuitry or Power lines or metal in particular. So metal is a great conductor electricity. But as humans, we’re 75 per cent water. We’re also an excellent conductor of electricity. So if you interrupt that circuit and it can’t get back to its Power source, electricity can get angry. As I said, of people particularly high voltage Power will try and complete the circuit and it’ll try and go through a human body if it’s near you. But it can also go through the earth to try and complete circa understanding that electricity can, you know, try and complete that circuit go through the Human body or even the gram is really important emergency. So that going through the ground is there’s a specific name for it’s called a surface voltage gradient. So the way I explain it to people is if you imagine a body of water Chuck, a rock in the middle. So ripples of form, right? So where the rocks hit, the ripples are higher or stronger, and then they slowly dissipate. So for example, if a tip truck hit a Power line and it was 11000 volts, 11000 volts will travel through the metal of the tip truck and then basically hit the ground. And then it goes through the ground trying to get back to its Power source. And each one of those ripples is a different voltage. So what 11000 volts is the voltage I’m thinking of here. The first ripple will be 10000 volts, next ripple 9000 7000 and so on. So if you’re standing near that vehicle and you had one foot on the 8000 Volt, ripple one foot on the 7000 Volt ripple, it would see the Human body because what do you think’s a better conductor of electricity, the ground? Well, the Human body, it’s the Human body. So it goes through the ground and goes, here’s a better path and it goes up through the Human. So just standing near the machine or you know, even if that was a fallen Power line that fell down in a storm, it can go through you just by being near. Right. So that’s called the step potential. But if you actually touch the vehicle and the ground at the same time what it was touching a Power line, you would cop the full touch potential. What’s called which is 11000 volts. So understanding that information in an emergency, right? ? So even say a motor vehicle accident where you know I had a control vehicle, It’s hit a pole. The Power lines come down, they’ve fallen under the car. Your first instinct as a human is to get out of there, right? It’s fight or flight. Right? If you understand that the electricity will flow through the metal of the machine before guides for the Human is really important. So you stay in the vehicle, right? ? So metal is a better conductor than the Human body. So you like a bird on a wire as long as you stay in the vehicle. If you try and exit and touch them, touch the ground and the machine at the same time. That’s where you can get electrocuted. So just like I said, knowledge is the best defense if you, if you educate yourself and understand that, you know, electricity will take the quickest and easiest path and that’s through metal. So if you don’t a machine in an accident accidentally hit powerlines or a car accident like that, it’s imperative that you stay in the vehicle right. Quick
[00:18:45] Geoff
question. What about your phone and like you know, what comes to mind? You’re in the vehicle, the Power lines on it. So you pick up your phone or?
[00:18:53] Glen
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pick up the phone to Ring triple zero immediately. So the safety message that we say there is stay cool white. Stay in the vehicle or stay away from the vehicle for bystanders or someone that comes in. You stay away, you call triple zero, and you wait for help. Right? That’s it, stay cool. Wait. You know, we’ll get to this point in my talks and then people go hang on. What if there’s a fire. Okay. And I just Okay. You know, there’s only two reasons I can think of, of ever needing to get out of And that means the vehicle is on fire and I mean you’re going to burn to death now or the Zep much smoke or gas coming into the cab or into the car that you’re going to die of a fixation, right? ? You can No longer breathe. So you can now now that you understand how electricity works, you could restore electricity because you understand you got step and touch potential and that surface voltage gradient to worry about. So you Jump clear of the vehicle and you land with your feet together. You do not try and shut the door, you will want to shut the car door or shut the vehicle door, right? You got to be aware of that. If it’s as soon as you touch that door, you’ve got the touch potential, right? So you Jump clear and just keep your feet together and you just hop away. It doesn’t need to be huge hops, as long as you keep your feet together. Because there’s no way for the electricity to through your step, I suppose, as long as you keep your feet together. And as always, you get 10 metres away, that the surface voltage grading is dissipated and then you’d be safe, right? But you also have to remember that you can’t go back to your phone and go back for you smoke. Go back about for your wallet. You know, I mean, once you’re out, you’re out and you know, people laugh and it’s like so many times you read these things and people are panicked and exited. And they just been lucky that the Power’s off, right? And they’ve gone back to get their wallet or their phone. All right, so I’d say to people, you’re more likely to win Powerball, you know, than actually be in an accident where the vehicle is now on fire and you actually have to exit. It’s a very rare occasion, so it’s just something that I picked up on when I started this role was, you know, about regional Queensland somewhere talking to a local Council for example. And I’ll be sitting at the pub at the end of the day. And I’ve got me look up and live shirt on and I’m having a beer and Faden and someone goes, oh hey, you know, what do you do any time and on safety and then they, oh yeah, I know all about it. You know, you Jump, you Jump, you do the hop, the skip and a Jump, and they get the whole escape procedure completely wrong. And I said, might you Miss the most important point? The most important point is you absolutely just stay there. You don’t need to get out, you don’t remember. Don’t need to remember how to escape, right. The real important message is to stay. So it’s one of the things that I push at all my talks. And I know when I talk to is make sure you just stay there, you won’t have to get out right. And we sort of make stickers to go in vehicles. So if you do have to escape, you’re sitting there, it’s not the movies, it’s not going to explode on impact. You’re going to have time to think about it. And we’ve got little diagrams that shows people, you know, Jump clear the vehicle and people shuffle away. Another one that I just mentioned before you can hop, but you can also shuffle your feet if you keep constant contact with the ground, you can do small little shuffles. But I always say to people that this fire behind you, you’re not going to be shuffled in any way, right? You’re going to be hopping anyway. The Americans and sort of North America, Canada and the US, they sort of promote the shuffle a lot. You know, to be more practical. If you’re staying in the vehicle, you shouldn’t have to Jump out and shuffle. If it’s on fire, the only option is probably to hop. So that’s why I sort of promote the hop method as opposed to the shuffle method. So
[00:22:37] Geoff
yeah. Or Jump with two feet together.
[00:22:40] Glen
Yeah. Jump with your feet together. If you go and people always ask you, can you run or can I go one foot? The reason why we say two feet, you’re more stable right soon as you try and hop on one foot, you lose your balance to try and write yourself your feet or apart. And if you get a shot that way. So like I said, knowledge is the best defense, educate yourself around, you know, the step and touch potentially on that surface voltage gradient. You know, and that’s Mainly for emergencies. But you know, having that, that plan in place. So space was sort of moving forward a little bit and that’s where I did come up with the the look up and live mapping concept. That’s a, that it’s pretty much, you know, won this award. And it’s because I’ve got a free product to sell. Right? So what I said before, people absolutely have no plan to work around overhead Power lines. So we set people up to file by going out with no plan. So, you know, we, we spoke about Underground Power lines there before. Underground Power lines are in. Before you dig, right? So before you dig is a service that allows you to get a very simple plan. And that’s the reason why people don’t hide Underground Power lines as much because they can’t see them. So as humans go, well I need to come up with a plan, whereas the overhead stuff, people just go work. So I said we need to be able to overlay the Power lines onto like a Google, you know, Google Maps type set up. So people can see the Power ones and plan them in an early stage. You know, for example, construction sites and someone’s building a, you know, a large apartment complex, you know, 12 months out. They should be talking to the Power line companies and saying, can we get rid of these overhead Power lines? Can we put them Underground or do they really need to be here at all? What’s the plan to get rid of it so we can build it safely? Number one, and it’s safe for generations, right? Or, you know, Crane companies, for example, they’re going to site. They can now type in where they’re going the next day before they even get there. They can find out that the overhead Power lines are there. And how are we going to work safely around it, right? And then there’s, you know, the laws and legislations to do that. And as I said, it’s a very simple concept. But yeah, tremendous feedback because like I said, when I did my talks, you know, you go through and you sort of explain why I was there and I suppose scare people a little bit to go. Well, you know, having a little bit of fear actually makes you want to learn more, right? So I work on a, on a system called protection motivation theory. It’s actually a theory from the 70s. It’s very good for safety initiatives. So instilling a little bit of fear and feeling a set of work to get home to your friends and family. Actually once gets due to want to learn more. And then something needs to be really easy for you to actually put that in action. And that’s what I’ll come up with to look up and move out. I said, who tell us son, you find better? So yeah. So yeah, it basically maps every Power line in Queensland and New South Wales and South Australia at the moment. So other distributors, adopt job done as well, maps all the Power lines, geospatial so you can look at your house, you can look at your work site, you can look at your farm and see exactly where the Power lines are. You know, the big red line going through that might say it’s 33000 volts. And then on either side of that red line is some yellow dotted lines that tells you that’s where the exclusion zone is. And that’s where the danger is. So what planes have all going in place to actually work there shows where the poles are and what number is the pole? Because you know, our business, we want to know what the pole number is if you want to interact with us, right. We can find poll numbers even better than you know, addresses, for example. It just allows people to, you know, put a plan in place. So then you can print out your farm. For example, you could take a shot of your farm. It would give you all the infrastructure that there who owns it, whether it’s Ergon Energy, whether it’s energex, whether it’s essential Energy in New South Wales, whether it’s in differenze or whether it’s South Australian Power networks tells you who owns it. And if you need information who to contact, and you can just click on it and then there’s links to go back to the miners websites to find out safety advice. And I had to put some payload on Mark is up there for example. So a great New innovation that’s been around for the last four or five years is a Power line market called a right amaka. Now it’s a red and white spinning marker that absolutely negates that inattentional blindness I was talking about before. If something is moving in your peripheral vision, your brain will go. Absolutely, that is interesting and important. So it’s back to the caveman days basically. Right? So when you’re out there foraging for food, you always love movement and a brain loves movement. So something’s moving, your brain goes, that’s interesting and important and you look at it, these, these markers are sitting up on the people on the right setting. It just sort of spins, and it’s like a flashing light. It goes red and white, and your eye just sees it and you can’t unsee it. It just brings the Power line has a front of mind. So if you’re on a construction site or on a farm, it’s a really important hazard. You need to be aware of so you know, when someone uses to look up and live out, for example, they go yeah, we’ve got Power lines in our site. How are we going to, you know, work near um let’s, let’s talk to urg on NGO energex and get them on site. Does I look, put some right of markers up for you? Because, you know, the Power needs to be on, for example. But you know, if we keep everyone clear of the Power lines, it’s going to be safe enough, but we don’t want people to make a mistake and go work too close to them. So radha is a really good example. So Ergon in particular installs them for $100. Ergen is being in energex, being very proactive for the agricultural sector to put in their 50 percent, so to speak. We installed on at no cost, but it still costs you $100 to pay for the Marka initially. Ok. So yeah, up to 10, we could put up some of these Rademacher markers so you can work safely near them or make sure that people see them so they don’t go near them, for example. So that’s the main thing.
[00:29:01] Geoff
Yeah, cheap price to pay for.
[00:29:04] Glen
It is, and it’s sort of funny, you talked, I do a lot of AG shows and stuff as well. So, and you’ll be talking to landowners and farmers, and they go, yeah, how much of these things and you sort of get $100 and the guy’s too much, I’m like, it’s, that’s Dan from 2000. You know, I mean, it’s gone and it costs money to, to send guys out there to install them. So, you know, we’ve really put in a lot of effort to make these things available. So people can put some safety systems in place to work on their properties where Power lines and inland land owners need to share that, that bit of land, you know, I mean,
[00:29:42] Geoff
so Cook, you mentioned, look up and live is free. It’s a free app, which is awesome. Who else should use it? Obviously you’re talking about agriculture construction. Those types of industries. Should the average person
[00:29:59] Glen
have it could for sure. I mean on the app. So it’s available at look up and live dot com. All right, that’s the easiest one guy to look up Lipscomb, but if you’re out there on your device, any device is in Google Play. It’s in the Apple store. Just type in look up and live and you can download it for free. Now on the app, there’s a lot of safety information, so different industries, you know, trees near Power lines. All the little fact sheets that we’ve got on our website have been converted into this app form. All right, so you can educate yourself on the sticker. Wait, for example, a motor vehicle accidents. You can educate yourself on the surface voltage gradient and the step and touch potential and what to do in an accident. Those stickers, I was talking about, all the graphics are in the app. So for example, if you’re in a car accident and you went what a Cookie said I had to do in that podcast. Those listen to, they can grab the phone and look at it and it will give them the information that they need. So you know, in that respect, you know, people that aren’t, you know, working the overhead Power lines all the time. You can still use it right, but in particular, workers and businesses love businesses. Now I encourage them to get their workers to download it. And it’s a bit of an induction, so to speak, like what you need to download the app. Because Power lines are a very big hazard for our industry, and we want you to make sure that you use the app to, to educate yourself number one, but be aware of the Power ones that are around you when you get on site or before you get to sign right, I said we want to engineer out the Power line, has it completely and make sure that they’re aren’t there before the workers get there. But as we know, Power lines, you know, and, and businesses and farmers and landowners want to get the job done. So sometimes I’ve got to work around them. So understanding that you need a plan, you need to get the Power line marked. And in particular is to have a safety observer, so someone has to watch you work. That is the law, right? That’s the other thing that people miss when they work in their Power lines. Number one, there is no plan. So they haven’t thought about marking. I haven’t thought about having a safety observer in place. So when a safety observers there, the incidents don’t occur because the safety observer is watching the machine operate. And it makes sure that it doesn’t come within three meters of the Power line. If it’s getting too close to the train, it is the safety observer yells out on these UHF or wherever they’re communicating that you need to stop. Right? So that is their role is to stop the machine getting too close to the Power line. But as I said before, they occur because those, those things are in place and they have three very simple steps, look up and livecorp Power line markers and using a safety observer.
[00:32:45] Geoff
So much of what you said is really fascinating and pretty educational. You have taught us stuff that could be really beneficial to any one of us in certain circumstances. So it’s really fascinating and brilliant stuff. So thank you for that. Are there many people doing what you do working in Typekit role that you’re in? Because obviously it’s really critical.
[00:33:14] Glen
Yeah, there is, I mean most, most distributors will have someone similar to myself am, I suppose also lucky in the fact that I was mentored by my boss, Aaron Smith is very good, made him on and he was doing this role for a couple of years before I came along and I was mentored by him and pretty much, you know, we’re learning along the way, like you mentioned before, you know, who do I interact with? Well, you know, coming from kane’s coming to the South. Queensland, you know, I didn’t know a lot about cotton farming for example, but I knew a fair bit about cane farming. So I said, look, I need to educate myself and I went out on a cotton farm and learnt about all the machinery and the spray rigs and the harvest equipment that they use. And I wear it, does it impact you? So I am very much been able to, to be an advocate for, for workers and then help my business change our policies and procedures to, you know, do our 50 per cent, not just scale up the laws, their legislation stay away. Well, what is it that we could do better to help people work around it? And that’s, you know, look up and live up and educating and getting people to understand. You know what it is that powerlines can do if you get too close. But what is the easiest way to negate that, that Electrical hazard, right? So yeah, I’ve been very lucky, I suppose, that sort of being able to create a position that I love and been able to do it in a way that, you know, the business has been very supportive of me getting out there and talking face to face to people and, you know, let’s be honest, you know, as humans, we actually like talking face to face and, you know, fact sheets and stuff for our websites and adverts and stuff like that. Well, they’re a good to have, they’re not really attitude changes or safety behaviour changes like I can see it when I talk. And we see the people listening to me talk you now you’ve got them and you know that then they walk out of the tour that they’re not going to do the things that they used to do. And they’re spreading the message to their friends and family because I was absolutely say, you know, I was talking about the or white message before. And I was asked the question I said so, you know, you’re only about 10 minutes in. And a lot of people are coming like, oh, another talk, I’m just going to sit at the back and have a sleep. And you know, you could say that you’ve got to be interested. And I said who he has learned something. You know, nearly every person will put their hand up and go, I didn’t know anything about that. And I said, you are not alone. Electrical safety. I suppose, you know, as a society we’ve sort of, you know, people think they can go to work and they’ll be safe because of workplace health and safety laws. You can put a cage around a moving part on a machine so you can’t get your hand in there and get hurt, right? We just can’t put cages around overhead Power lines and we can’t bury everything, you know, and people still dig, dig up, buried Power ones. If you Play in effectively, you can, you can really stop these incidents from occurring. But also, you know, when electricity gets to our homes, the technology is there to save you, right? So you got safety switches that will chip off before you even feel a shock. So if there’s a problem with an appliance, or you know, you’re drilling into a wall and forgot about the Power cables, the circuit breaker or the safety switch will chip off before you even feel it. So you know, 30 years ago you received shocks and tingles from your taps. I think a lot of people from that generation understand that, you know, getting hit by electricity really hurts. Whereas, you know, in this day and age, a lot of people or younger people would never have felt a shock or tingle other than maybe a static shock, right? I suppose that’s one part of it as well. Electrical safety sort of I think people are less aware of it because they haven’t never felt to shock or tingle or never knew someone that got killed by hitting a Power line because they have reduced obviously. So that’s where I sort of fell into this role and you realize that it happens more often you think, you know, on average in Queensland there is one fatality involving overhead Power lines a year you know, and probably 10 to 15 where people are being severely burned. And received amputations from the burns that they’ve received, if they’ve hit high voltage Power lines. So yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s education and I think it’s just a little bit a little bit lacking over the years. And I really do think that I’ve changed all of those. You know, over the, the past 11 years with other distributors, I’ve sort of built a bit of a network up with, with other distributors, people that are a similar role to me to go, you know, what do you, what do you do in this situation? And we’re learning from each other and raising that, that people on safety awareness and Electrical safety in particular.
[00:38:17] Annette
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[00:40:23] Geoff
Yeah, I think you’re face to face is really important as just side, but you’re making it real so people can relate. They can learn, but you’re also giving people planning options and giving them look up and live out to further understand where they are and how they’re personally affected in this situation. So fantastic.
[00:40:45] Glen
Oh, and it can be used to so many different points right from the, the very early planning stages to, you know, the day before or the night before to an emergency situation. All right, so we’ve just had all the floods in Mary Barra in Glenwood region Gympie. And the last few days, you know, state emergency services are out there, performing rescues in the Queensland fire swift water water rescues there in boats where the Power lines are now a lot lower. Right? So using that as an emergency service tool, you know, fighting bushfires people, the, you know, the rural fire brigades can see where the Power lines are from their device. You know, firefighters going into a car crash. They can see that it’s, it’s someone’s crashed into a pole and on that pole is, you know, 22000 Volt Power lines. So it’s sort of helping everyone from, you know, the planning stages, right? Dance or emergency services or, or a Council worker, for example, come to fix a, mains water leak in the middle of the night. They’ve instantly got, you know, information that they’ve got on hand to try and deal with that Electrical has
[00:41:57] Geoff
been absolutely brilliant. You’ve talked about a few, quite significant advances in Power line safety. Have there been any albums in the past few years that have really been beneficial to health and safety?
[00:42:10] Glen
I like to think that the look up live at is being one of them. Just sort of, you know, educates and gets people that ability to plan because it’s a thing that people aren’t doing, but that Rademacher,them talking about before working in tandem with that. Look up and live app as really made some advances. Like we’ve got around 4000 of those radio markers up in Queensland. And there hasn’t been one contact on a Power line that has the right amount or on it. So yeah, it is making a big difference, right. And you know, we, as a business look at these incidents that are occurring and if there’s anything that we can do to improve safety of those sites, you know, including moving people on. So we want to work with landowners and you know, put a put, invest a bit of money into moving poles and wires away from you know, a certain part of the property if that’s an option, right? So we want to get it out of the way, but in the end someone has to pay for it, like it just we can’t just move for nothing and plus everyone will want it move. So being able to work on my business together as an advocate for in the farming community or the construction community where Where’s the middle ground on what, what’s the right thing to do and, you know, is it going to be beneficial for everyone down the track, right? ? Because every accidental contact costs every, every person in Queensland, Australia, money. Because if you think about it, say, you know, a plane hits a Power line, right? Takes out the payout. Everyone, no one, then you got, our guys are going to die. We’re out working doing some payroll on maintenance, for example. They’ve got to leave the job that they’re on now to come over and fix the problem that’s been traded. We then charged that, that company that hits the Power line for the damage that they’ve done. But we never get the money back from the work that they should have been doing. Know what I mean? So every contact costs double. And I say if that was a $15000 damage, it’s actually $30000, but we can never get the full payment. So every incident costs everyone money. So you know, the look up and live up is actually reduced overall incidence by 25 percent or
[00:44:26] Geoff
less money
[00:44:27] Glen
as well. Yeah. Yeah. So it’s money saved and it’s like I’ve been yeah, it’s life saved and it’s saving everyone money. You know, I had an example the other day where a landowner got a quote to move some Power lines and that was $30000 to move them. Right. And he, he went, well that’s too expensive. And to me that’s actually quite cheap. And then he hit the Power line about three weeks later and his bill will be around $30000. So he could have accepted the $30000 quote and we could have moved out of step away from where he was working. And he would have never hit the Power lines and now he’s got a bill for $30000 and it’s not easy just to move Power lines after people have hit it, right? They have to get back up where they are to move. Power lines takes a fair bit of planning, you know, a lot of infrastructure and resources to, to move that type of stuff, right? It just can’t be rebuilt in a second.
[00:45:25] Geoff
So, and all that you’re doing all the safety work that you do. Look at them live at, et cetera, et cetera.
[00:45:34] Glen
Are
[00:45:34] Geoff
all part and parcel of the reason. The one won the silico safety award in the Queensland community achievement Awards last November. It’s a statewide event across all industries. You won the Sinica award. It must have been a real thrill and such a validation of your important work to have been chosen as the finalist and then of course to go on as the Winner
[00:45:59] Glen
was mad. I really appreciated, you know, the nomination firstly and you know, to be made a finalist and then eventual Winner I was. I know it’s another pun, but I was shocked. I was so shocked. I had no idea that I was going to win that award. I didn’t think that I was going to because you know, it’s on one person and the people that I was up against, a lot of businesses are up against our big businesses and I just see myself as you know, it’s great. I got nominated and I’ll be able to, you know, sort of promote myself and you know, when you talk to people and they want you to come and talk to them, you can solve a Queensland award Winner for syndicate safety award. And it sort of does help people be at ease because to be honest, it’s hard to sell a free product because people ringing in I say, so what does it cost me to get you there? ? I said, oh, we just got to come up with a date and I’ll get there. So what it’s, it’s nothing else it’s, it’s a free service.
[00:46:58] Geoff
And what’s the
[00:46:59] Glen
catch? Yeah, yeah, and it’s hard to sell a free product because you can’t get enough of for free. It has got to be a catch. What’s the catch? There isn’t a catch, right? So having, you know, that, that award and you know, that behind you saying to people, look, I’m good at what I do. Trust me when I get in, you know, a lot of people don’t want to give you the time, right? Although, you know, can you do it 15 minutes, someone will now won’t come. You give me at least an hour, an hour and a half. We can really have some good conversations and you’ll start, you still love it. And then I do the talks and then you see the emails come back or people Ring me and say, you know that people are still talking about it. You know, it’s been four weeks ago. They’re still talking about people on safety and, you know, the feedback you get face to face on the day, it just validates what you’re doing. So I’m sort of getting that every day when I’m at work and just built up a really big network of people across Queensland and Australia and overseas has actually got flown to Atlanta just before covid in 2019. To, to show some of the larger businesses or distributors in the U.S. and Canada, what we’re doing in Queensland. And it was just amazing to, to, to think that you know, little black from mareeba in far north. Queensland got flying to the US to tell them how we’re doing it over there. You know, in Queensland, so it’s amazing experience. And then I thought I’d be going back to the US a few more times. And then the past two years, but yet covid hit and that’s sort of all changed because yeah, it was, there was a lot of people over there that one of them wanted me to come back. So
[00:48:40] Geoff
they’ve got a great story. You’re a good presenter. Remembering back to the Awards, not in that role on the park. What was something that inspired you about the night?
[00:48:52] Glen
It was bigger than what I thought to be honest. Like, you know, I’ve been to a couple of different Awards type ceremonies and they’re more safety because that same industry, I’m in right. And you got all people from different parts of, of safety. Whereas this was a more general award and, and meant a lot to me because I said it was bigger than what I thought. And just having a lot of people come up to me during and after congratulating me on what I do and how my, my brand or my, you know, my presence in Queensland in particular has grown over the last, you know, 11 years. And in particular, in the last, probably four to five years because of the app, like the look up and live apps, it’s just give me that opportunity to, to sell a free product. So you’re not just preaching safety and then go, alright, have fun storming the castle. You’ve actually got a tool to give people to go. If you use this and come up with a very simple plan, you’ve already reduced the risk of hitting an overhead Power line. But just looking at your phone, just looking at a map on your phone. Because you know, our brains was talking about before our brains love, love images, right? So when you’re seeing that image of a, you know, your property from above, you put all this stuff together and when you turn up on site, your brain goes, oh yeah, that’s the law of saying that. Everything, there are a site, it really is helping people.
[00:50:20] Geoff
Yeah, well big shout out to 7NEWS and channel seven for their support. Seven. Queensland of course regionally makes a huge contribution towards program. We’re very thankful to them for their support. Cheer for the Awards and it’s really important that we do acknowledge people like yourself who are making a difference for people in the community and maybe not everybody that’s nominated, saves lives in the way that you do, but that community contribution supports someone. It’s such a privilege to be able to recognize people like yourself through these, these Awards and sharing is absolutely fascinating and very educational. Now, you’re also, you’ve won an industry specific award as well. Can you tell us about that?
[00:51:09] Glen
Yeah, well in 2020 and in the middle octave it also won the, the Australian workplace health and safety professional of the year. So yeah, that was an awesome recognition as well. Another one that I was very, very surprised to get very different and I covered year, you know, the old trophy just turned up in the mail. And now instead of me, any bees are afraid because it was all virtual. Right. So yeah, not, not the best year to win a national award, but I’ll tell you what I was very, very chuffed to, to receive it in safety and actual in actual fact my team and the look up and live app won a safety excellence award at the Australian workplace health and safety Awards in 2021. So I did get to go and have coffee feed and get a free beer. So yeah. So it was awesome.
[00:52:02] Geoff
Great recognition for your awesome work. And it is very important, as I said, to all really great work and community contribution our Of course the community Awards start up again in May. Would you encourage listeners to nominate someone for whatever category it might be?
[00:52:24] Glen
Oh, for sure. Look, I said I was very surprised to make it to the finalists and, and to eventually win the award. But it is a great experience because Lara said it doesn’t matter what industry you’re in, but to actually win, you know, an award like that that’s over every industry was, was amazing. And just to meet the contacts and people that I met at the Awards, you know, it just just adds to my network of people that I can call on from now on. And it does spread the message of what you’re trying to get out there and look, I don’t do it for the Awards at all. You know, I’ll do it because it’s the right thing to do. And I can spread that knowledge and education out there and stop incidents from occurring, but yeah, it’s to be acknowledged. It certainly feels good. Yeah, for sure.
[00:53:10] Geoff
People just do what’s going to be done. They have a passion to make a difference. Now look for the accolades it just said, but it is just such a lovely experience for someone to
[00:53:21] Glen
nominate, encourage them, and encourage businesses and managers and stuff to you know, reward their staff and nominate them because you never know who’s going to make it on the day it just depends on the judges,because
[00:53:35] Geoff
like all of us Cookie you must do, the daily press, pulled out from time to time. How do you stay motivated, reinventing itself?
[00:53:44] Glen
It’s easy to stay motivated when you have people telling you that you’re doing a great job, you know, when people call you and you know, and even what the Awards, you know, the people that congratulated me over social media. My cancer on LinkedIn and Facebook just validated that I’m doing the right thing and when people contact you for more information or repeat visits. So Kate really does keep me going and people thanking you and shaking your hands and stuff. All that makes me feel good about what I’m doing. So that’s
[00:54:17] Geoff
yeah,
[00:54:17] Glen
that’s awesome. It’s pretty easy to be honest when you get that validation, right,so
[00:54:22] Geoff
yeah. Hey, what’s shoe company said
[00:54:26] Glen
I work for Energy Queensland. Energy. Queensland is Ergon. And energex now have essentially merged so yes, we work for Energy Queensland. But look, I do a lot of work with distributors all over Australia, New Zealand, and the US and Canada in particular. And the UK sort of, I’m just learning from each other. Right. So it doesn’t matter what part of the world you live in Power lines and electricity works exactly the same. So in particular, in Australia, I’m trying to align everyone’s safety messages in that just to align them, so they’re more similar. So people don’t have to, you know, if you move from New South Wales to Queensland or, or you’re a national company, why can’t the laws and legislation be more national? Because it is really a worldwide problem where people are hitting Power lines and and yeah, electricity doesn’t change that, No matter what country it’s exactly the same. So that is sort of my mission is to try to align stuff so people can understand and have that knowledge well on Electrical safety,
[00:55:33] Geoff
shout out to Energy. Queensland, I think for allowing you about the sounds to follow your passion and your mission and to follow your dreams of making a difference and impacting people’s safety in their lives. I think that’s absolutely brilliant. What’s something quirky that we might not know about you?
[00:55:55] Glen
Oh I am, I Play the guitar and sing as well. Yeah, I still remember I was like 26 years old. So last year. Yeah. So, you know, it’s a sort of said to my wife and I said I and I can sing a little bit. She learned the guitar too late, Nancy as you’re twenty six years old. So she bought me a guitar so I taught myself to Play guitar from a book and you know, I used to Play for friends and family and stuff for them. During covid, my mother was like, can you film yourself and you should put on YouTube? So yeah, now I started me on YouTube channel list. So I just sort of Play and sing them. And I shared, you know, my Facebook page and people can lock it in and listen to it if they want. Mainly friends and family, but yeah, guys wrote, it’s a great stress relief for me. I love it.
[00:56:49] Geoff
Yeah, that’s cool. And what type of music the program, what’s you
[00:56:55] Glen
general sort of folk music and rock. Yeah. Yeah. Sort of, I still sort of do more slowly. Songs, just acoustic guitar is what I Play so, and I think that sort of suits my voice. Yeah, I’ll just Jump on plaid, Play a few chords, and built out a few tunes. Whatever sounds good. Oh, stop playing there some days and sort of charts, my wife and she goes, you know, I don’t put that one on YouTube. So she’s my validator. So he have a listen to this one. What’s that sound like? You can see it on YouTube. It’s not too bad.
[00:57:30] Geoff
Well, I had stuff there. There is not a song on the planet that suits my voice. I can tell you that said sadly. So if we need entertainment, any time for the achievement Awards, I’ll give you a buzz.
[00:57:43] Glen
Yeah. You know, drums
[00:57:45] Geoff
Star attraction. So what’s next? All right, Glen Cook,
[00:57:51] Glen
look, I really want to improve the look up and live dot com app. You know, there’s so much more we can do with that. We haven’t, you know, spent millions of dollars on it. It’s, it’s been a fairly, you know, we’re just sharing data onto a platform. I’d love to put some, some extra features in there for people to be able to use like, you know, an alarm for example. So if you could set an alarm to, if you were 25 meters away from a Power line you find would ding and make noises or whatever. Just, you know, not features that are going to save your life, but they’re just extra features that would alert you to, you know, Power lines being there. If it forms part of your plan, you know what I mean? So, you know, there’s lots of ideas run around in my head to, to help people work the Power lines you know, even as simple as holding up your phone to see the Power lines. And, you know, I give you a bit of a risk assessment that would come back and tell you what the voltage is and how high they are. But there’s so many extra things that we can do, but as to, to, to get that happening. So it’s a, it’s a slow process, but it’s, it’s something that I want to continue to move on is improve that. Look up live dot com.
[00:59:04] Geoff
It’s a brilliant time and it’s such a great app. And I highly recommend that everybody should download it because you never know when you might be working on any of us doing gardening or pruning that’s high, higher than you would expect even around high peak. Right. So what do you think the world needs more up right now?
[00:59:27] Glen
More right. Imac is, might I need more? Right. Imac is in the air to stop people advance. Yeah. Look, I always try to stay out of politics and stuff, but some I think, I think we rely a little bit too much on, on non fact checked. Social media posts, to be honest. I mean, obviously we’ve covered in all that gone around it’s, I mean there’s a lot of people worse affected the mass. I shouldn’t complain, but I know this seems to be a lot of misinformation out there these days. So for
[00:59:57] Geoff
it can be a bit of a trap kind of
[00:59:59] Glen
yeah, it can be for sure
[01:00:01] Geoff
here. All sorts of stuff. It provides good information, but
[01:00:04] Glen
I mean,
[01:00:06] Geoff
is there any advice that you’d leave with our listeners?
[01:00:11] Glen
I just love people to plan your work. And stay three metres away and use a safety observer if you go to work near Power lines, right? It’s just just having that initial plan, usually fine. Look at a map on your phone, you will absolutely reduce the risk of hitting an overhead. Palin, stay safe out there ever receive a shock or a tingle. Just Ring straight away, they put up with shocks and tingles. Ring Ring Electrical contract or Ring Ergon or an injection or your pal on distributor. And get someone out there to have a look at it. All right, and obviously stay cool, white message.
[01:00:50] Geoff
Good advice about planning, I think is key for any anything. But is
[01:00:55] Glen
it very much is and like I said, that’s what people aren’t doing when it comes to Power lines. Because your brain is telling you, you don’t need to worry about it.
[01:01:04] Geoff
Yeah. Well, we don’t know, we don’t worry about
[01:01:07] Glen
That’s it.
[01:01:08] Geoff
Good advice, fine. Where can our listeners connect with you online and find out more about them? A couple of live dot com app Power on safety and what you do
[01:01:19] Glen
obviously the app download the app. It’s got so much information in there and it’s categorized into your industrial or whether it’s just, you know, clearing trees or planting trees on your, on your property, all the information’s there. Obviously it took up a live dot com, but I’m more than happy to people to give me a call like I mentioned before, a bit of a talker. So if you’ve got questions, I’m more than happy to to take them. So I’m on number zero, four, one, eight, four, three, nine, four. Or you know, my email address, Glen dot Cook at Energy Q dot com that I’m more than happy to have people contact me. I’m pretty Google of all team mate. So if you, if you Google, Glen Cook powerlines, I reckon you’ll find me
[01:02:01] Geoff
awesome. And
[01:02:02] Glen
there’s a few articles and you know, media type things that are out there about me now. So my contacts there and I’m sure you’ll probably have my contact details in this podcast,
[01:02:14] Geoff
and I’ll be on the show notes as well. Kirk, it’s been such a pleasure talking with you today. You are a real inspiration. You’re a community champion. That makes a real difference real, real difference in the lives of people. We very thankful for all that you do. Thanks so much for taking time to chat with me. Thanks so much for all that you do.
[01:02:39] Glen
All right, thanks Geoff. Thanks for the invite and. Yeah, really appreciate them chat with you. Just encourage people out there to give me a call or seminar email if they want to talk about something, then that’s what I’m here for. I’m here to be an advocate for you guys and yeah, give you the information that you need to to get.
[01:02:56] Geoff
Well, thanks so much Cookie and shout out cynical as well, who buy the award pass forward. So that more people can find out about what you do and the importance of Powerline safety as well. All right, everybody enjoyed the chat with Cookie tries as much as I have become more aware of the importance of how on site something the undervaluing undressed. I don’t think I get on and download the look up and live up, have a chat with Cookie. If you have any questions, one of my more before we close, quick plied prayer, woods, Australia, shop activity marketplace, and also our membership drive at the moment, all purchases of our $50 membership goes towards providing grant funding for our award winners. So until next week, be safe. Be healthy and be kind. Because together, we make a difference. I hope you enjoyed today’s interview as much as I have it. But lovely to subscribe to our podcast app that you won’t miss an episode. Join us each week as we talk with ordinary Australians, achieving extraordinary things. Did you know that Awards Australia is a family owned business that proudly makes a difference in the lives of those? Make a difference for others? And we thank our corporate not-for-profit partners to making award programs possible. Do you know someone that’s making a difference? Or maybe your business might like to sponsor an award. Contact us throughout Instagram page. Inspirational thought Australians will head to our website. Awards, Australia dot com would be great if you could share the site with your network. Because who doesn’t like a good news story, and please write in with us. We would really love to hear your thoughts until next week. Stay safe. And remember together we make a difference.
[01:05:00] Annette
Thanks for joining us today on the Inspirational Australian’s podcast. We hope you enjoyed listening and have been inspired by ordinary Australians achieving extraordinary things. So it’s goodbye for another week. Remember, together we make a difference.
