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Tara Lord, Founder of Kupu Kupa Australia – an animal therapy business



In this week’s episode, Josh is talking to Tara Lord who was Finalist in the 2021 7NEWS Young Achiever Awards for Western Australia.

My name is Tara Lord. I am 23 years old, I work as a Youth programs Co-ordinator for a youth counselling and suicide prevention organisation and also work in a psychiatric hostel and as a community rehabilitation worker, I also have a role as a Youth Ambassador with the Mental Health Foundation of Australia and have volunteered with a number of organisations in the community. I have my own lived experience with mental health, and have always had a passion for helping people. One of my main passion lies where I run my own animal therapy business (Kupu Kupu Australia) , where I take my dog around to mental health and disability facilities, as well as schools, respite centres, aged care facilities, foster homes and much more. In WA there is little knowledge / services in animal therapy and that is something I am an advocate for to change hence I started my own business.

Animal Therapy is proven to reduce cortisol levels (stress hormone) and increase oxytocin, the love hormone.

I’m so lucky to have an incredible job where I’m able to share this with people. I have always loved animals, and I have seen from a young age the impact they have on people. I’ve always had a dog and they have always a brought so much joy to my life, whenever I was sick, sad, excited, anything, they were there for me. I have always had a passion for helping people, I learnt quite young the world is a scary place where terrible things happen, I knew from this moment on, I wanted to change the world in one way or another. I wanted to share love and happiness and be a voice raise to awareness for disability and mental illness. So I decided to start up Kupu Kupu Australia. Loki was adopted from SAFE Bunbury and after lots of training and hard work and gaining qualifications and accreditation as a therapy team, We work with private clients to overcome boundaries and join them on their journey in recovery. We visit schools for de stress days, visit hospitals and aged care facilities to spread some love and happiness, and work on recovery goals and facilitate programs and interventions to suit and help people’s medical/ recovery plans. Our plans for the next couple of years is to purchase a large property and add some more friends to our Therapy team (including lizards, cats, rabbits, donkeys, alpacas and much more) all rescue- this will be a fully functioning therapy ranch where clients can come for respite, rehab and much more. We also are hoping to have accommodation for families to come and have a getaway as well emergency accommodation for people experiencing domestic violence. Kupu Kupu means butterfly in Indonesia which represents the transformation into a better life. For me its about creating an inclusive environment and ensuring everybody has access, I think there is a lot of stigma in society around mental health, and I want to ensure that everyone feels welcome. I think it’s so important that we raise awareness and speak up about it, and I hope that within the work I do I can encourage people to do that. With all the work that I do I hope to break down barriers and reduce stigma in the community and raise awareness around mental health, I aim to be an advocate for change. I also recently received the Victoria Park Youth Citizen of the Year Award, and was a finalist in the 2019 and 2020 West Australian Young Achiever of the Year Awards, and am currently a finalist in the 2021 awards) I also recently completed the leadership WA course leadability which I found extremely empowering and just completed a training through the Mental Health Commission called recovery college facilitator training which I loved. I am always looking for ways to broaden my horizons and develop to support the community to work towards a shared goal of making a real difference 🙂


In this episode:

  • We hear how Loki saved a person’s life and how he taught a young man to cook!
  • Tara gave us a great way to ask someone if they are RUOK
  • We learnt of Tara’s dream to have a Therapy Ranch one day


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[00:00:04] Annette

Welcome to the inspirational australian’s podcast  where we chat to people making  a difference in their communities and in the lives of others. And Here’s your host  for today. Josh

[00:00:21] Josh

Thank you Annette. So before we get started  just like to acknowledge that I’m recording this podcast today on Bunnerong country  and pay respect to the elders current past and future,  and just acknowledge that their culture is extremely important. We can all learn  a lot about where we are, which kind of a country where on ourselves and  a lot of resources online. So encourage you to look at your local suburb and see  what country you’re on. So Annette,  good to be chatting to you today. Another podcast.

[00:00:53] Annette

Now, the podcast

[00:00:55] Annette

and the week,  that’s right, people enjoy it,  then we ask that they write it and review it because you let people know how they  do that.

[00:01:01] Annette

Sure can. I’m actually coming to you from Wurundjeri country. So even though  Josh and I both in Melbourne,  we both at different ends of Melbourne. Now to the other writing and reviewing. This is my  thing. I love it. If you can write and review our podcast  it helps more people find us. And we’ve just been voted the seventh,  most popular inspirational stories podcast in Australia. So people are finding us  which is pretty cool. Now I’ve written  a little how-to on our website. So if you go to awards Australia dot com  forward slash podcast,  you’ll actually see the how to write and review. So we’ll get onto it explains.

[00:01:40] Josh

And  at the time of this podcast going to air  then the young achiever would probably have launched around the country as well. So  quick reminder to everyone to jump on to Facebook. Check out the seven news  young achiever awards in your state or territory and get nominating some young  people. And speaking of we’re actually going to be chatting with  a white seven year young achiever award finalist from the last two years in Tara  Lord. Now Tara is 22 years old and she works as a youth programs coordinator for  a youth counseling and suicide prevention organization. Tara also works in  a psychiatric hostel hostel, I should say. And that’s  a community rehabilitation worker. And  a youth ambassador with mental health foundation of Australia. One of his biggest  passions is animal assisted therapy through her business,  a group of Australia and Tara  you can correct me if I got that pronunciation wrong. And she does that with  a partner in crime Loki who we might get to meet during this chat. So welcome Tara,  how are you doing today?

[00:02:39] Tara

Yeah, good  thank you. Thank you so much for having me.

[00:02:41] Josh

No worries. Absolute pleasure. Did I  get that pronunciation right with crupi group?

[00:02:45] Tara

Yeah, that’s correct.

[00:02:46] Josh

Lovely. Well, one of my first questions actually is  what does that mean?

[00:02:50] Tara

I say typically is actually butterfly in Indonesia say it represents like  I guess your journey so gentle, but a life,  a journey from the universe to the butterfly when I was little and I went to Bali  and Indonesia, my family and I volunteered for a orphanage in Indonesia was  a big part of my sort of growing up,  should I say that sort of inspired me and I think it’s  a huge sort of representation of recovery and mental health journey and really  loved it. So that’s kind of where that came from.

[00:03:28] Josh

Yeah, awesome. Well,  I guess being in Perth or know around that area in WA,  quite close to Indonesia.

[00:03:33] Tara

Yeah. For sure. I think it’s  a huge Australian thing. We love Bali. Definitely. Absolutely. And I think it’s for  is about to have that sort of touch. It’s also a big icebreaker, educational thing  which you can come from and it’s  a big part of me as well. It’s nice to be able to incorporate that. Yeah,

[00:03:50] Josh

I know just personally my first overseas trip was to Indonesia to Bali  specifically. And even just opening your eyes to have different people live in  different countries. And I think it really does just give people  a bit more of perspective around life and I think for you volunteering  I can only imagine that would have been very Powerful.

[00:04:11] Tara

Yeah,  I think it’s definitely a big eye opener and you get a kind of  a diverse perspective on how other people live and yeah,  it definitely inspires you just to kind of have  a perspective and come back and do some more work in the community back here

[00:04:24] Josh

Yeah,  so what do you reckon you would have been when you were doing that?

[00:04:28] Josh


[00:04:28] Tara

know my family went to Bali lots when I was younger  so probably the first time I went there I could have been maybe four or five and  that was just literally playing with the kids. And you know,  like drumming and taking bubbles and bouncy balls up there and I think that was  a big thing for me as well. Like, you know,  little bouncing balls we took out there and kids were like  bouncing it is the best thing ever. Yeah, I’m safe in saying that as  a kid was really awesome. Like I think  a big perspective of growing up has been like, wow  this basketball that we just get this shot for like 50 cents or whatever is like  the most amazing thing for  a kid over there. Yeah. So that was really awesome. And then yeah,  probably went  probably six or seven times after that growing up and then kind of

[00:05:13] Tara

did more things as  a family I think helped build like bathrooms and stuff out of there as well.

[00:05:18] Tara

So in  the community, kind of more, I

[00:05:21] Tara

guess, as I grew older,  more

[00:05:24] Tara

bigger things. Yep.

[00:05:25] Josh

Yeah, that’s really cool. That’s  a kudos to your family for,  for doing that and doing that in as part of your family trips. That’s really  amazing. So you know, you’ve got  a pretty cool story and doing so much already at only twenty to hundred. Twenty  third birthday

[00:05:47] Tara

Twenty three. Last month. Oh yeah. But I didn’t  like change my things so much, but that’s

[00:05:55] Josh

not,  it’s

[00:05:57] Tara

just behind or just  so yeah  I just turned twenty three last month is

[00:06:04] Josh

how did you get so you’re working  as  a youth and youth counseling and suicide prevention and rehabilitation and mental  health. How did you get started working in those fields?

[00:06:15] Tara

Yeah, so I’ve got my own experience  my own journey of mental health. But I think also as growing up like my mom kind of  always joked that I just always had that personality sort of embedded into me like  in school supposedly I was always that kid when I saw another kid come sit with us.  My best friend of probably eight or nine years still remembers the day I actually  came out and apparently I said you have no friends. Do you want to sit with?  My gosh, that’s horrible. But like,  obviously she’s my best friend and mentor for a genuine purpose. Yeah. You know,  I always want to have that sort of looks like he is moving my camera.

[00:07:01] Josh

Actually  kind of funny, isn’t it? What, what you say at that age?  I don’t really realize

[00:07:06] Tara

I realize now kids have no filters and obviously I didn’t  have a filter then.

[00:07:11] Tara

But I think it came from  a genuine smile and I think I just never wanted people to feel

[00:07:16] Tara

alone or feel like I  didn’t have anyone. So I think I always had that sort of embedded in me  but then when I

[00:07:23] Tara

went through my own journey and saw  other people going through  their journeys, I think I just really wanted to make a change and make  a difference. So I actually wanted to be a vet when I first was very little,

[00:07:34] Tara

but then when I realized like you had to do with animals and stuff  I couldn’t do that

[00:07:38] Tara

sounds like, well,  why not people and also animals that kind of combine those

[00:07:43] Josh

two. Yeah,  yeah  for sure. That is, that is very cool. Merging together of interests and passions  to a you have to do something with your life. So what,  what do you think led you to want to be involved with animals and work with animals?

[00:07:59] Tara

I think I always notice from a very young age, just how

[00:08:04] Tara

impactful animals are like,  even

[00:08:07] Tara

I don’t think you have to have  a mental health journey or mental illness to realize how amazing animals are like  even if you just got a stomach ache or  a headache anyone that’s got animals realizes how much the animals recognize that  like  I remember one time  I think I had my tonsils out or my appendix or something like that. And the dog  came up and was like,

[00:08:25] Tara

so I was like

[00:08:26] Tara

Oh like giving me cuddles and pats  I just know when you’re not feeling that great. And I was like  this is better than like any sort of therapy or anything. I just know. And I think  even when you’re just out in public and you see a dog or I

[00:08:40] Tara

remember seeing like,  you know, in school as if there was ever a dog around that someone

[00:08:45] Tara

bought  a dog to pick up their kid or whatever. You just see the smiles on people’s faces  and it was just such an easy thing to make someone smile. And I think that was so  important for me to recognize it was just such an easy way of making someone happy.  And I mean  is that true scientific research behind it as well that I’m just putting an animal  can reduce cortisol, which is just stress hormone. And it can release oxytocin  which is your glove hormone.

[00:09:09] Tara

So there’s science behind it as well. It’s just,  you know, seeing someone smile,

[00:09:13] Josh

you know, it’s so true. And for myself,  I’ve got  a dog named arianda. If you’re just frustrated or  a bit stressed out and he comes up and he’s got poor eyesight, which means he,  he loves to come up and use his nose and have those need to see who’s there. And so  you get a little cold nose on your head or something, but you can be annoyed  you stop picking a pattern and you do feel a bit better.

[00:09:37] Tara

Yeah  that’s it.

[00:09:40] Josh

So  you know, I understand,  I read something and you can tell if this is accurate or not. I read something that  at one point you kind of had this idea like, Oh,  I can invent animal and mental health. Things like working together and combine  those two. But then you found out that it was a kind of already a do you think?

[00:09:57] Tara

Yes,  I remember when I was kind of thinking about it and I saw the impact the animals  had. And I was like, man, I was thinking like I’m going to invent this  I’m going to

[00:10:05] Tara

invent animal assisted therapy thinking I was going to be like

[00:10:08] Tara

the  next big inventor. And then I kind of Googled it and I said, Oh, it’s already  a thing. I’m an inventor but you know, so it’s kind of obviously happy. It was  I think sometimes it’s amazing  but I recognized that it really wasn’t in Australia, but also particularly W.A..

[00:10:26] Tara

And I was like, well that’s not OK. Let’s make that a thing. So that’s kind of  I guess when I started my journey and trying to make it more prevalent in W.A.

[00:10:35] Josh

for sure, pretty tricky to actually invent something these days because it is,  seems like everything exists  but I agree with you hundred percent. That just because something exists doesn’t  mean that it’s being done right. Or in your area or so I think it’s really cool  that you weren’t put off by that that you just thought. Yep,  this is great. I’m going to run with it. Thank you. So what came first was,  was low key in your life  or was could be to already existing or how did that kind of fall into place?

[00:11:03] Tara

Yeah,  so basically I didn’t have like you at the time. So we started our journey of  I guess, looking for animals and I was really passionate about getting  a rescue animal as well.

[00:11:17] Tara

So that was  I guess another thing around chiricahuas is always making like giving people  a second chance. I guess I’ll give people a journey but giving animals  a journey as well.  So  wanting to have any of the animals that I incorporated into  the program  the rescue

[00:11:32] Tara

animals. So I started looking at rescue shelters.

[00:11:38] Tara

I actually  applied for like four or five dogs before I got lucky.

[00:11:43] Tara

So I was at one place and  we literally were about to get the dogs that had the full application and  everything. And I said, yeah  we’ll just go get the dog now.  And they came back and you could just see the look  on that face when someone has bad news

[00:11:55] Tara

and they’re like, I’m so sorry someone,  I don’t know how this has happened,but

[00:11:58] Tara

someone’s applied for the exact same time as you and we just haven’t  communicated and the doctor actually just got someone else. Oh no.

[00:12:04] Tara

And so at the  time I was devastated, but obviously it kind of was like  it was meant to be because like he’s just be perfect.  And great. So I  took her  home,  started training her myself and sort of basic obedience and working her and doing  like things like, my mom’s an excellent

[00:12:22] Tara

umpire, and there’s  a lot of kids around taking her,  getting used to kids.

[00:12:27] Tara

And then we applied for funding at the time I was  living in the city of Melville.

[00:12:34] Tara

So we  applied for funding with them and we got  funding from the mayor basically. OK. And we yeah  that was really awesome. So we got with that I think it was called Project Robin  hood. So you basically present  a Project and then you get funding from your projects approved

[00:12:52] Tara

when we got as  approved. So with that and with some savings  we were able to go over to Melbourne.

[00:12:58] Tara

And complain it’s a cost accommodation  so it’s called lead the way. So we were able to complete that

[00:13:04] Tara

and get accredited as  a therapy team. So we came back and we’re one of the first

[00:13:10] Tara

therapy teams in W.A.  and then started up

[00:13:15] Tara

for Australia and basically linked in

[00:13:17] Tara

with agencies and  services and stuff that we thought

[00:13:19] Tara

needed us. And then also started getting like  one on one client as well.

[00:13:24] Josh

That’s cool.  So what was the trip like to Melbourne and  back  We’d located you drive the flyer.

[00:13:30] Tara

Yeah. So we flew so we flew over to Melbourne. We  stayed on like a little farm and stuff which was awesome. So like he was  I remember obviously like said,  company cross

[00:13:41] Tara

is quite funny at the time she was like,  running around these horses. I think she was trying to like them or whatever. And  then they were just starting to like, what are you doing?  That was quite an experience, but yes, it was  a week long

[00:13:57] Tara

course. We stayed up on the farm for  a week

[00:14:01] Tara

and then the days were about eight or nine hours. I think so

[00:14:05] Tara

it was that  anything from going into facilities or learning tricks and trainings and putting  them in scenarios as well as that I had to go up to like five animals for

[00:14:16] Tara

example  And that I would obviously be curious  but they weren’t able to react in an aggressive manner.  Or they were able to had  situational things. They might have some one

[00:14:26] Tara

thing their arms up in the air or  get  aggressive or  a situation that I might come to and I have someone who’s living with mental  illness disability. So then they can sort of Be

[00:14:35] Tara

like, Oh, what’s going on  But I can’t react aggressively  basically to checking that they’re going to be suitable for  a therapy

[00:14:42] Tara

dog. And then at the end,

[00:14:45] Tara

they got accredited, or they did it basically,  and he was lucky enough to be accredited. So

[00:14:51] Josh

That’s quite intensive actually. Yeah.  Well, what was, I guess what was a two part question?  What was the hardest part of that training and what was the highlight?

[00:15:05] Tara

The highlight was

[00:15:05] Tara

definitely saying like all the different dogs  like I think I went in there imagining that it would be like

[00:15:09] Tara

golden retrievers and  Labradors and stuff. Because you imagine that  that sort of stereotypical

[00:15:14] Tara

but it was honestly  a lot of like the weirdest looking dogs but dogs ever,  which was amazing.

[00:15:20] Tara

Yeah. I think that’s definitely one thing I really liked about  it was it was kind of

[00:15:24] Tara

breaking down that stereotype of typical dogs. And it was  just these weird looking dogs  but beautiful dogs and I went into the facilities like  I remember this one dog that  was like, let’s look like  a horse like it was so big and we were looking. And the look on the elderly when we  went into the facility just they just started laughing as soon as the dog walked in  because dogs are going to come in. Yeah. And then this dog walked in and that  itself made them laugh. And I remember the aged lady saying  I don’t think I’ve seen this person laugh and the whole four years I’ve been here.  Well,  even within that moment before that even had any sort of interaction with the therapy  dog padding like that already made it

[00:16:03] Josh

impacts. That’s huge. Isn’t it?

[00:16:05] Tara

Yeah, and that’s one thing that I’ve found with

[00:16:08] Tara

animals is  a therapy. That’s not even

[00:16:10] Tara

necessarily having  a therapy dog that’s really little things like it’s

[00:16:14] Tara

a name is like you say,  sometimes it’s  a connection to the movie or sometimes silly things she did like one time or  a park and she snuck off and jumped into  a

[00:16:22] Tara

river and the kid thought it was hilarious and started laughing and again  apparently this kid had left in two years. So sometimes it’s not always

[00:16:31] Tara

panning the  dog or having clinical

[00:16:33] Tara

therapy sessions. It’s actually just like

[00:16:35] Tara

humanizing and

[00:16:36] Tara

having  a really silly interaction that they might not normally get to have.

[00:16:39] Tara

And that’s  a really

[00:16:40] Tara

awesome, Powerful  challenge,  like he absolutely loves

[00:16:45] Tara

bulls and fetch  and she had to sit and drop for like five  minutes. And while bouncing a bull in front of her,  she wasn’t allowed to react. And that was very  that was her most challenging thing. I think she was like,  Oh my gosh  I was the bull. And you can see on her face. But she managed eventually was really

[00:17:04] Josh

good effort. So a very important question.  You know,  you’ve named the dog Loki or was Loki already named when you had  a

[00:17:12] Tara

nice day like he was actually originally named jasmine. We’re trying to change it  to Loki

[00:17:17] Josh

now. So you  MCU fan, is that why the marvel movies?  No, I

[00:17:22] Tara

do love marvel  but also I remember spending so much time trying to figure out what I wanted to  call her. She is very cheeky as well, which I think the name got to mischief  but also say another thing around,  pretty much

[00:17:38] Tara

obviously I want to add feature animals to Australia

[00:17:42] Tara

and I wanted to  have

[00:17:44] Tara

names that were like relatable and connecting to

[00:17:46] Tara

the kids or people that would  be coming to the facilities.  I think that

[00:17:51] Tara

Yeah, like I said, it’s actually  a great icebreaker. And it’s just the small things like that that create  a connection instantly as well. Like even as soon as you say, look at people like  Oh thank you from Thor  and say that connection.  I just adopted two kittens and then  nolla and Lelo.

[00:18:09] Tara

And again, straight away  it’s not like from Lion King and they don’t start to

[00:18:13] Tara

have that connection straight  away and you’ve got something to talk about,

[00:18:16] Tara

even if it’s not straight away. Therapeutic clinical or anything like that.

[00:18:20] Tara

It’s  a connection and you’ve got that human connection even if it’s not there.

[00:18:23] Josh

Yeah,  yeah, so the name doesn’t have to be marvel  but it does have to be Disney within the Disney. Now, that’s great. So yes,  we’ve adopted those Cats. Are they just for your pets?  Are they going to be maybe therapy animals as well?

[00:18:38] Tara

Yeah, so basically my  ultimate dream is to have  a therapy match and have purchased property and have people come there for  respite and facilities. I’ve got  a community garden and programs there.

[00:18:52] Tara

So any animal that I’m currently adopting,

[00:18:56] Tara

I just bought my first house and I started at the pros and cons of that is that I  can adopt an animal whatever I want and stop me. And the,

[00:19:03] Josh

because the,  I want to say

[00:19:05] Tara

to them,  I don’t put you out of sight. But

[00:19:10] Tara

yeah,  so basically right now that just little kittens running around the house. But  definitely that we’re doing the whole sort of, I don’t know how much I love it  but smuggling them

[00:19:19] Tara

as much as I possibly can. So that they get used to as kittens.  So that then when they come to the therapy ranch,  they’ll be considered therapy. Cats

[00:19:28] Josh

and how is like reacted to these two new  creatures

[00:19:31] Tara

surprisingly well. Say,  she

[00:19:35] Tara

is quite weird around Cats. She’s like, Oh, what is this?  And she steps back and I’m like

[00:19:40] Tara

I’m not really sure you realize you’re much bigger than them and you always scary.  But

[00:19:46] Tara

I think we all know that Cats will the world as far as Cats are concerned.

[00:19:49] Tara

Yeah.  But now she loves them and they cuddle and they  yeah  they love each other like I’ll come home from work if I wouldn’t have like you

[00:19:57] Tara

with  me and they’re in the same bed and they’re going up there. And it’s very  very cute. So that’s beautiful.

[00:20:05] Josh

I can tell that you’re really passionate about  animals and helping people. Can you tell us about some of the stories of people who  you’ve met along your journey unlucky and how you’ve had an impact with them?

[00:20:17] Tara

Yeah  absolutely. So I think we’ve just been really lucky that we’ve been able to meet  some incredible people that have had  a

[00:20:25] Tara

huge impact

[00:20:26] Tara

And I remember

[00:20:27] Tara

one girl that we worked with.

[00:20:29] Tara

She had said  that he had literally saved her life. And I was like, what do you mean by that?  And this was my way of working within the hostel. And she

[00:20:42] Tara

said that at

[00:20:43] Tara

times  she just wouldn’t be able to handle her

[00:20:46] Tara

voices and also her own thoughts.  And  basically she, one night was struggling  a lot and she

[00:20:55] Tara

was feeling like she just couldn’t live anymore and she didn’t want  to live anymore. And one of the workers had said that,  look just to keep you excited. He’s coming in tonight.

[00:21:05] Tara

Not at all knowing that this  was the way this person was feeling just letting her know that’s what the program  was for.

[00:21:11] Tara

And she was all right, well,  I’ll stay low key and then I’ll

[00:21:14] Tara

continue with

[00:21:15] Tara

what I’m going to do.  And then she  saw like you spent some time ago and she said I literally just felt so like it was  medicine and I felt so good that in that moment I just

[00:21:27] Tara


[00:21:28] Tara

overwrought. And then  she ended up disclosing to staff how she was feeling and going into hospital

[00:21:33] Tara

and  getting the help that she needed. And then we ended up finding out and going and  visiting her in hospital as well, being alongside her journey of recovery,  which was absolutely amazing. You  know, whatever it was that

[00:21:45] Tara

a connection that her like you had  was just being able to

[00:21:48] Tara

bring that forward and bring her. And that sort of darkness,  obviously didn’t take her away completely  but it was able to get her the help that she needed  which was really incredible.

[00:21:57] Josh

Yeah,  that is incredible. That is truly life saving because all it takes is one moment to  it.

[00:22:02] Tara

And that,  and she has said multiple times that she feels that it’s like medicine when she  spends time it, and that  that is truly impactful. Powerful. Which is just amazing.

[00:22:13] Tara

Yeah. And you know,  we visit to people who have not  so that they could leave the house because of the  anxiousness that they’re feeling.

[00:22:23] Tara

So we visited  a lady who hadn’t left the house in two years

[00:22:28] Tara

and we did small steps. So webasically

[00:22:31] Tara

would go out the back and we’d just walk around the garden with her

[00:22:36] Tara

and  take  a look around the garden and then we’d take her to the mailbox and really small steps.  And by the set at the third session with her,  we actually went to the shops with her.

[00:22:46] Tara

And it was just amazing because yeah,  like I said  she hadn’t left our house in two years and it

[00:22:50] Tara

wasn’t really anything to do with me.  It was overdog because she just loved the dog so much and

[00:22:55] Tara

we were able to do  small things as well. Like I think it’s really interesting because people often ask  what’s animals like, what do you actually do?  Like just sitting there and having  a chat with them while the dog and sometimes it is and sometimes like be go to aged  care facilities. It’s

[00:23:08] Tara

them just patting the dog and that makes them feel great.

[00:23:10] Tara

And  sometimes it’s a distraction as well. Like for this lady, she

[00:23:13] Tara

wanted the dog,  like the dog, make her feel comfortable to go to the shops.

[00:23:18] Tara

And then we had  a similar situation where

[00:23:21] Tara

a young boy he was living with autism. He wanted to move out

[00:23:25] Tara

but he didn’t sort of had the foundation skills to be that coach didn’t know how to  clean that sort of thing.

[00:23:30] Tara

And he didn’t want to learn that might not be right.  And  so we tried to kind of incorporate  looking into it because he loved life. So we were like, OK  well

[00:23:40] Tara

look like he really need some like meat and veggies for dinner tonight. So how  about we cook some and then he was

[00:23:47] Tara

like  I love like that. Let’s do it. So we were learning to cook meat and veggies  technically because it’s the same as cooking humans. We were just doing it for like,  yeah,

[00:23:55] Tara

and I was like  well technically we need to actually make us some dinner as well while we’re doingit.

[00:23:59] Tara

So all

[00:24:00] Tara

fine or safe to cook.  Well  he didn’t actually realize he was there.

[00:24:05] Tara

And then I was,  I should remember some dog biscuits they made like peanut butter dog biscuits. And  I was like, Oh  I could get some chocolate chip cookies and milk or something because I’m still  kind of like utilizing her as  a distraction as well. So there’s different ways of incorporated her into like  daily life skills,  a goal orientated practice as well. So it’s like there’s so many different ways of

[00:24:27] Tara

doing it is it’s not always like just basic therapy. So it’s super interesting.

[00:24:31] Josh

Yeah. So can I ask  you this question  When you’re saying people have to ask you how it works because I did want to know  that as well with your clients is it through, you know,  people find you through or is it through your other realms view them use counseling  and things like that as well.

[00:24:50] Tara

Yeah, honestly, it’s a complete variety  so I’m really lucky with my spices that I get to incorporate.

[00:24:56] Tara

Some of the work that  I do. If I came into them,

[00:24:58] Tara

I was a supportive and they’re very,

[00:25:01] Tara

I guess holistic focused. They’re super keen to get on board with what I do as well.

[00:25:06] Tara

And then I also work with my kid

[00:25:10] Tara

peekapoo as well. So some of my work is through  coocoo and I get content with that. And then I also take liking to my

[00:25:17] Tara

part time  works as well.

[00:25:19] Tara

Yeah. So a bit of both  and then I’ve also previously worked for places like health Care Australia as well.  But that’s like being like my client will be really good and then

[00:25:29] Tara

asked me to go  see their clients. That makes sense.

[00:25:32] Josh

Yeah  sure. Yeah. So that’s really interesting. And you mentioned earlier that you’ve had  your own journey with mental health and kind of that experience as you’ve grown up  as that, Do you think that’s helped you as well  Not only working with lokey  but just relating to people and being able to to help them.

[00:25:51] Tara

Yeah  definitely. I think as well when you’ve been sort of through things yourself as  well, you can

[00:25:55] Tara

connect to people on  a different level as well. I think it’s one thing

[00:25:59] Tara

to be able to study it as well  which is helpful,  but I think when you can connect with people on like an emotional level as well

[00:26:05] Tara

and  everyone’s journey is different. I think even if you have the same mental illness  or whatever as someone your journey is completely different  what one person’s depression looks like is completely different from another

[00:26:15] Tara

person’s depression.

[00:26:17] Tara

But I think when you have that broad duration experience and  you’ll be able to actually be like, OK, I don’t get it  but I do get it. That’s so Powerful. And I think when we stop being less robotic  and more human and I

[00:26:29] Tara

think even

[00:26:30] Tara

taking away from the mental illness that  we just be  like, yeah, that’s shit and I get it like I’ve,

[00:26:35] Tara

I’ve been there.

[00:26:36] Tara

I haven’t been in your situation  but I’ve been to the point where I just,  I’m struggling and that sucks.

[00:26:42] Tara

So I

[00:26:42] Tara

think that’s so important because I think

[00:26:45] Tara

sometimes we do

[00:26:46] Tara

as a society  we do contribute to that toxic positivity. When someone’s telling us that what  they’re struggling with and not feeling like they want to get out of bed or  whatever and we do,  that’s

[00:26:55] Tara

all but you’ve got so much to live for. And sometimes

[00:26:58] Tara

we just need to sit  with them in that sadness and be like that’s shit and I’m really sorry

[00:27:03] Tara

and allow  them to feel that way because at the end of the day,like

[00:27:07] Tara

sometimes life is crap. And we just have to acknowledge that.  And so I think  it’s  a really Powerful thing to know what it’s like to be in that situation  and be able  to kind of, I guess, facilitate that conversation. I think. Yeah, we, as a society  we definitely shut down mental health conversation. So being able to sit there in  comfort and talk about it is so important, I think.

[00:27:31] Josh

Yeah,  I think that’s brilliant advice because I think sometimes and against my own  personal opinion  we jump to trying to provide advice or suggestions or things or trying to solve the  problem to me sometimes it can’t be solved or at least not right there then. And I  think what happens

[00:27:47] Tara

sometimes of course like  you,  of course you want to help and you want to encourage it and that could come  eventually. But sometimes it’s just  I just want someone to listen. And I

[00:27:55] Tara

just want someone to acknowledge because I  think that, that sometimes we’re aware that it will get better.

[00:28:00] Tara

Is that cheesy,  and I’m all for cheesy.

[00:28:03] Tara

My favorite thing that there’s  a rainbow at the end of every storm.

[00:28:07] Tara

And I truly believe that  but sometimes it’s just nice for someone to acknowledge that what you’re feeling

[00:28:13] Tara

because sometimes times you feel a lot. And I think a big problem in societies,

[00:28:16] Tara

especially when it comes to accessing services  is people don’t feel like they’re unwell enough or sick enough to access

[00:28:22] Tara

service.  If you’ve got a headache or if you’ve got  a migraine or whatever.

[00:28:26] Tara

A lot of people go to the doctors  but not when it comes to mental health services. They’re like

[00:28:29] Tara

Oh well I’m not,

[00:28:29] Tara

I’m not, I’m well enough to go see  a soccer counsellor and people don’t recognize that you don’t actually have to have  a full diagnosed mental illness. To go see a counselor, you can just go there for  a chat.  And by shutting down conversations and always being  a

[00:28:43] Tara

candidate to get better,  we stop people from going in and having this conversation. So I think it’s really  important that we just open up more to people just like I’m feeling

[00:28:53] Tara

right now. Like  I’ve got this day and I think it’s so important that we actually start recognizing  what to say if someone’s not like me. I think especially as Australians about how  you go and we don’t actually ever expect someone to respond after that.

[00:29:09] Josh

So true.

[00:29:11] Tara

Maybe it’s important that we actually stop  being genuine when we ask them,  how are they going to respond or know what to say after they do respond?

[00:29:19] Josh

Yes, good point. Well, on that note I’m wondering if  if you can give me  a little bit of advice or point me in the right direction. If I was OK,  there’s really an initiative. What’s a way that you can?  I’m asking for more effective as  a male like I was reaching out to the other male friends to say OK,  I’m obviously are you OK?  That’s a really good excuse to do so. But just in day to day life  do you have any suggestions on how might be  a good kind of way to reach out and ask people that question because I feel like  sometimes I know if me person. I’m  a little bit hesitant just to even talk to me in a couple of weeks and just say  hey, are you okay? Like it seems like a weird thing to ask. Yeah,

[00:30:01] Tara

I think it is definitely hot and I think like

[00:30:04] Tara

sometimes as I was saying,  I think  it’s recognizing like  why do you think the Nordic as well  like maybe you mean like hey,  like I noticed like

[00:30:12] Tara

you haven’t

[00:30:13] Tara

been as talkative as much like is anything you want  to talk about or all that sort of thing, but I think as well  sometimes it’s important to recognize like you might not be

[00:30:21] Tara

the right person. Is  that like I know when

[00:30:23] Tara

I was struggling like  everyone was like, you know,  talk to your parents or talk to your teacher  especially when you’re younger. That’s something that people really emphasize

[00:30:29] Tara

like talk to your parents and not everyone has  a relationship with their parents. They can talk to or talk to your teacher,

[00:30:35] Tara

but not everyone might be able to talk to their teacher. So I think it’s really  important that we like,  I guess raise awareness that

[00:30:40] Tara

there’s so many people you can talk to your teacher or  your parents or your friends or your family, or like  a counselor or GP or

[00:30:48] Tara

services that we can co-ops that sometimes I think it’s evenlike

[00:30:52] Tara

I even, I guess doing what I am be like  all I heard about is really like

[00:30:56] Tara

good said if I,  if I’m going to make sure that I use that

[00:30:59] Tara

whatever kind of like  making it known  about them.

[00:31:02] Josh

Yeah, that’s a good idea with suggestion. Good idea.  Yeah, yeah  I like that a lot. So you know, speaking of your experience,  was there someone or something that was able to  to help you or that you found really supportive?

[00:31:16] Tara

Yes, I think definitely for me, again, it was I think there’s  a lot of stigma when you’re younger as well. I think people look at you and you  just feel like what could you possibly have to be upset about this  I think that’s something we need to break down. Definitely the dog. My dogs helped  but yeah, I think especially in school it was just like talking to  a

[00:31:36] Tara

school counselor,  that sort of thing.  But I think for young people or

[00:31:40] Tara

anyone in general  it’s like accessing like  a GP. You can access mental health plan and get like ten different,  ten free or twenty three sessions of mental health service. And like when I found  that out,  that is so important because I think

[00:31:53] Tara


[00:31:54] Tara

you hear so much about how expensive  psychologists are and stuff and I’m like,  I’m not going to be able to afford that or whatever.

[00:32:01] Tara

And then

[00:32:02] Tara

yeah,  I had someone point me in that direction and I think what’s really important to  remember as well is it’s not again  it’s not that you have this severe mental illness that you need to

[00:32:10] Tara

exercise it is  if you’ve just got

[00:32:13] Tara

small struggles or whatever you want to consider as you can  access those because I think as well,  the way that we start reducing statistics in the way that we start having these  conversations is before it gets serious

[00:32:25] Tara

like start having that conversation. So  then you reduce that it makes sense, but Yeah,

[00:32:29] Tara

yeah,  by opening up before it gets serious. That’s when we start reducing those  statistics. I

[00:32:35] Josh

know it sounds crazy when you put it like that doesn’t it?

[00:32:40] Tara

But it’s, it’s definitely important because I think,  you know, we do at my work  we do this presentation about the mental health continuum. And there’s

[00:32:51] Tara

the end of  the spectrum and the status that the green and the red. And the red is when you

[00:32:56] Tara

haven’t spoken about it and got into severe mental illness.  And I think that  sometimes if you just need fuel in your body to get back to the brain.  And I think  that like when you start getting down it is because you haven’t had those checks  and you haven’t opened up and haven’t got the help that you need. So yeah,  sometimes again  easier said than done. I totally get it. There’s so much stigma on this and many  barriers to it, but yeah  it’s definitely

[00:33:19] Tara

by creating that awareness and the community

[00:33:21] Tara

and reducing that  stigma of actually talking about it. We can make  a big difference. Yeah.

[00:33:25] Josh

Well I love your Segway. I think it was intentional on your  behalf  but I was actually wanting to talk to you about awareness in the community and some  of your work. I understand that you’ve presented at schools and things like that as  well. You know, with lokey. And of course, what’s that like in comparison to  you know,  your dealing with clients or people one on one and then you go and talk to big  group. If you feel comfortable doing that.

[00:33:48] Tara

I think when I first started I  definitely was like  it was very overwhelming.

[00:33:54] Tara

But I

[00:33:54] Tara

think now I just get

[00:33:57] Tara

like I just say these  young people and I just want to grab them and be like,  this is like mental health. We should talk about it like,

[00:34:06] Tara

I think your passion grows. The more that you see how much is not spoken about.

[00:34:11] Tara

And  I think especially the more that I started talking about it  like I realized how much it was shut down.

[00:34:17] Tara

Like when we do a power  I talk about suicide for example,  and you literally stay in the room basically step back as soon as you say the word  suicide. And I’m like,  this is why our statistics are so high because no one wants to talk about it. And I  get it like it’s, it’s horrible and it’s harsh, but we have

[00:34:35] Tara

does  a statistic like one young person died by suicide every week. And three thousand  three hundred nineteen people I think died in twenty nineteen.

[00:34:42] Tara

And it’s like these  statistics are so high because no one wants to talk about it and no one knows how  to get help. And these

[00:34:49] Tara

young people,  they don’t know how to get help. When their friends say,  I want to take my life whatever that know how to handle it.  And it’s because they  don’t know how to handle it  that we haven’t given them the

[00:34:58] Tara

resources. So

[00:35:01] Tara

I think that

[00:35:02] Tara

drives my passion to talk  about it. Because I think at the end of the day as many other present as I’m going  to do it than who is. Yeah.

[00:35:11] Josh

Do you  think, you know,  from just from what you’ve personally seen, that things are changing in  a positive way in terms of school school age kids, talking about it  a bit more from what you’ve seen when you’ve done presentations and things likethat.

[00:35:22] Tara

I definitely think it’s getting better and I think like going out and doing  presentations are really great because I think that, you know,  even if you touch one person or two people, three people  then they might go and tell one person. And then it’s kind of like  a domino effect. They know that they tell another batel another,  and that’s how we start conversation. We start education.  But it definitely needs  to become, I guess,  better and more aware like

[00:35:46] Tara

maybe listening to us doing it right now. But that  should be like

[00:35:49] Tara

two because we could make such  a difference if more of us spoke about it. And it just,  I guess more honest conversation is really important because especially with that  young people,  their brains aren’t fully developed and they don’t know how to regulate their  emotions completely and self. So we have to give them that. We have to speak to  them about it and yeah, I think as well,  especially when they’re going through that sort of debt  teen angst. And that stuff, it’s like, well  is this normal or is this mental illness  I don’t know. And so it’s like teaching them how to decipher between those two. So

[00:36:23] Josh

with your day to day work  the presentations you’re doing and somehow you also find time to not only obviously  care for your animals, you’ve bought  a house and you do volunteering and you recently completed  a leadership course. Do you have any, any time just for you in your life?

[00:36:42] Tara

Yeah, I definitely didn’t used to be good at that,

[00:36:46] Tara

but I definitely try and always make sure that I make time for myself now. I think  that’s something that I’m

[00:36:51] Tara

really big on. I learnt  a while ago that it’s easy to burn out when you don’t make yourself. So I just make  sure that I

[00:37:01] Tara

do something easy for the easy to self care for myself and I think

[00:37:04] Tara

that’s another big thing as well. I remember when I first had self care and I  thought it was one of

[00:37:08] Tara

those names that you do not names. But like pictures you see  of like

[00:37:12] Tara

people just like meditating and like  yoga which is amazing. I’m not taking  away from that or trying to be offensive to that at all.

[00:37:20] Tara

That doesn’t work

[00:37:21] Tara

for  everyone  and that doesn’t work for me at the self care. Like I’m just going to keep doing  what I’m doing.

[00:37:27] Tara

But recognizing in  a self case that you like that I’m going to come home and I really want cookies. I  baked cookies and I felt so good after I did that. Like you take  a warm shower or you

[00:37:38] Tara

take a dog for a walk or you call  a friend or call someone you haven’t spoken to in a while.

[00:37:43] Tara

You know,  put some particular when it can be just some small bit like

[00:37:48] Tara

just makes you feel  better

[00:37:49] Tara

and I think that’s really important as well. Is that it just something small  that you like

[00:37:54] Tara

even telling yourself what?  I

[00:37:56] Tara

have got a big day,  like what something small that I’m going to do at the end of the day just to make  myself present and make

[00:38:00] Tara

myself be able to go to sleep at night. That’s what I do.

[00:38:02] Josh

Know  that’s awesome. I know what you mean about thinking like what is self care because  my wife was pregnant. I had  a very gender stereotypical view of lots of cables. And I kept,  she kept saying to me like why keep, let me have a boss like?  Because I are just going to have a bath yet, and I was like, Oh  intensive care units and stuff. And she’s like, I don’t have to have  a bath. I can do other things like a really good point.

[00:38:26] Tara

Yeah,  that’s it. Yeah.

[00:38:28] Josh

So that’s,  that’s funny. But I wanted to ask you as well about being named  a finalist in the seven years young achiever, what’s the you a finalist in twenty  twenty last year and also this year in the first national real estate leadership  award,  which obviously what we’re hearing about is very very fitting. So what was it like  to go back to last year when you were first kind of announced as  a finalist in the awards? Yeah. What was that kind of feeling like?

[00:38:57] Tara

Yeah, it was, it was definitely a huge honor,  but it’s also like always very overwhelming and very it’s very exciting. But I  think  I always like even I’m really like contact me and getting an

[00:39:10] Tara

award  nominations and stuff like it’s always quite an interesting experience. Like it’s  very exciting and very overwhelming  but I’m always like

[00:39:17] Tara

the people that I work with like they should be getting the  people and stuff like you always come to this kind of like,  I think self realization that I struggle to say like why you’re

[00:39:28] Tara

getting nominated  for these awards and stuff  which I think is really interesting experience because you put all this like  compliments and passion into your friends and your family

[00:39:37] Tara

and stuff  but it’s hard to recognize the work that you are doing. But I think definitely yeah  it’s an honor and it’s amazing  but I think that

[00:39:45] Tara

I just look back on it

[00:39:46] Tara

because I feel like what inspired you to do  it and stuff. And I’ve met with people that I work with. Like, honestly,

[00:39:51] Tara

that’s inspired me to do what I’m doing,  but I think it just makes me very grateful to have the people in my life that makeme

[00:40:00] Tara

get where I am like I literally,

[00:40:02] Tara

I have time. So I’m just like  Oh you know what, this is just like  I don’t know if this is working or this is going to happen.

[00:40:08] Tara

And then you have this  people who are cut off and you’re going to do amazing like you don’t let you

[00:40:14] Tara

I  guess go into bed

[00:40:17] Tara

and you could be gone for  a little bit and then you going to get up and go and shoot for the stars and you’re  going to do what you want to achieve.  Yeah. So I guess you kind of go through all  these different emotions. You’re like, I’m really immoveable. Well,  but I’m really excited and you’re like,

[00:40:28] Josh

I don’t deserve this more than, you know,  this is

[00:40:30] Tara

great. I’m so happy like  it’s  a really amazing experience and you go

[00:40:34] Tara

as well when you go to the awards  you’re sitting in this room and you just feel so

[00:40:38] Tara

grateful but also so I guess it’s  like the people who are up for the awards as well. Are just incredible.

[00:40:45] Josh

Yep. Well,  that’s a good point you made because about sometimes even when you’re in,  when you’re in it day to day when you’re living it  it’s hard to kind of take that step back and look from someone else’s perspective  on the impact that you’re having in the positive messages you’re sending out to the  community and so it can be easy to tell exactly what you said, Oh  I don’t deserve this or whatever. Everyone around you obviously was,  was telling you the opposite. So that’s good. Thank you. So I did want to ask this  question and let me know if it’s a bit awkward, but obviously you were  a finalist years in a row and not named the winner. And so what I want to know is,  was that still a positive experience for you, or did you leave feeling  a bit disappointed?

[00:41:28] Tara

No, I absolutely didn’t feel quite honestly I,  when I look at

[00:41:32] Tara

the people who were up for nominations or actual finalists or  winners, I think, you  know, said, but you like  I am honored just to be here and be in the room with all these people who are  nominated and who are finalists  like I think for me

[00:41:48] Tara

like it was just  I literally left feeling like so energized for  the from the community

[00:41:52] Tara

like I remember

[00:41:54] Tara

that was  a few different stories who really like touched me and I was like, I literally  I think I would want to win next to those people actually like

[00:42:03] Tara

what you actually I  don’t know like to me it’s not like

[00:42:06] Tara

a sport is kind of where I’m like  I want to beat you to me like I’m actually honored that other people took that  position like

[00:42:14] Tara

you honestly deserve that. So

[00:42:16] Tara

yeah,  for me it’s an honor to be there honestly is that to me it’s not about

[00:42:20] Tara

winning  It’s about being in there and people being recognized what they’re doing.

[00:42:24] Tara

So  yeah  it’s, it’s great to be there  but I don’t feel like

[00:42:28] Tara

I have any particular loss. So if I get the award I

[00:42:32] Tara

get the  award.

[00:42:33] Josh

Yeah. Well it’s,  it’s  a really nice observation. It’s something that I have noticed at around the country  and the different awards events that I’m lucky enough to to attend this year. I got  to travel interstate and attend events which seems bizarre now being in Melbourne  But at that time, Yeah  it is actually pleasantly surprising in some ways to see the finalists who perhaps  before that night didn’t know each other hadn’t met and just like really applauding  the other person when you know their fellow finalists was announced  the winner congratulating them and just so happy for them and it’s In  a world where  a lot of people are trying to get ahead and it’s nice to say that I think,

[00:43:13] Tara

I think,  and I think as well  a lot of the work that the people who are there doing they’re doing it because they  love what they do and they want to make  a difference. And I think when you see other people’s passion  you see that they’re doing it and you’re like, Oh my gosh,  you are doing amazing work like you just happy and proud. And you almost

[00:43:29] Tara

feel like  a proud mom or system when you watch them and hear what they’re doing.

[00:43:33] Tara

Just  genuinely feel wholesome and warm when you hear people’s stories.

[00:43:38] Tara

But I

[00:43:38] Tara

remember I  was like sitting there like listening to some people’s stories and speeches  and I was like crying like, I didn’t even know this person,  but this is so beautiful and amazing. I genuinely think it’s  a beautiful space to be and I don’t think that Well,  not for myself anyway. There’s any sort of competitiveness when it comes to it.  It’s just  a space to recognize that the work the community is doing. And I think as well,  especially at certain times of world can be such a dark place and to be able to be  a in that  world is  a really amazing honor. And I think

[00:44:07] Tara

in that room that somebody likes and  and it’s just about recognizing that it’s not about winning as such. And of course  it’s an awards ceremony. It’s going to be  a winner. But

[00:44:16] Tara

to me it does matter. Yeah.

[00:44:18] Josh

That was  a beautiful way to put it. There was so many lights in that room that was really  nice. Thank you. So you know, having been  a finalist now and being through the process and being part of it,  would you recommend to other people that they know if they know someone who’s doing  great things that they nominate that young person?

[00:44:35] Tara

Yeah  definitely. I think that’s really important that

[00:44:37] Tara

people recognize what other people  are doing. I think if people ever

[00:44:43] Tara

get just to be recognized,  the good work that people are doing  like I say like it’s the world can be crappy sometimes and just recognize  a lot star in the world. The difference is that people are making

[00:44:54] Tara

there’s so much  negativity in the world. Why not recognize all the positives in the world?

[00:44:58] Tara

I think on the news  we see so much

[00:45:00] Tara

negative stuff. Why don’t we stop talking about the positive stuff  and making awareness posters that are out there  And I think that’s why these polls are so important because you’re sitting there  and you’re hearing all these amazing stories. And I’m like  why have I not heard about this person before  Because you were incredible. Like I hear about this person who’s done this horrible  thing and I don’t want to hear about you,  but I want to hear about this amazing person  this young person like send them out on the news because you’re incredible and you  just generally about yes, definitely.

[00:45:25] Josh

That’s one of our aims is just to,  you know,  as you said, there’s  a lot of negativity in the news in the media. And our aim is to try to flip that  script and just push it as many positive stories as we can. And so we’re very  grateful to someone used to come aboard to help us do that. And in your category  the first national real estate leadership award, we’re lucky that they are  a national sponsored partner of ours. And so we do have the leadership award  available in every state and territory of Australia. So for anyone listening,  if you know a great leader  you can dominate them No matter what state you’re in or territory for that matter.  So hopefully  a lot of people are hearing this and thinking I want to know more about animal  assisted therapy because it’s such an interesting topic and it just sounds great.  Where can people get in contact with you and could be

[00:46:12] Tara

Yeah, so we have  a Facebook page like

[00:46:15] Tara

Australia,  we also have an Instagram page and the email and stuff is on there as well. I  believe. And he also has an Instagram  which I believe is also linked onto the Facebook page.

[00:46:27] Josh

Oh OK. I didn’t realize like  he had his own self to check that out. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. So for those wondering  creepy, creepy, was creepy. Know that’s twice creepy  creepy. So you can easily find it online and you know,  I heard lokey kind of making  a few noises throughout. She’s still there.

[00:46:47] Tara

Yeah. She’s still here. She’s a bit of  a attention seeker,

[00:46:51] Josh

but it’s what it is  every now and then just poking up.

[00:46:54] Tara

She was wanting pounds, so yes  she’s still here.

[00:46:57] Josh

Yeah, that’s great. And so  sometimes I just like this question  but you’re so young. I want to ask it anyway. But I was going to ask you what’s  next for you. And the reason I said I just like it sometimes is because you’re  already doing great things and there’s no,  there should never be expectation that you have to do more. But I know for  a fact that you said before you wanted to, your goal is to have  a wrench and things like that. So I do want to ask the question  what’s going to next for you and lucky?

[00:47:23] Tara

Yeah, so for us we’re hoping to basically purchase a property and create  a therapy ranch.  But we’re also just currently trying to, I guess,  create connections for what we do developer. And so we want to have sort of  a community garden and

[00:47:37] Tara

yoga classes, music therapy classes  all that sort of stuff.

[00:47:40] Tara

And we’re also trying to  have conversations with  I guess the councils and community in general about raising awareness for animals  as a therapy. So there’s not as many, I guess  therapy dog access as much as we would like. So basically trying to fight that when  it comes up for review. So that is our

[00:48:01] Josh

current case,  of course.

[00:48:04] Tara

And then yeah, I guess just keep doing what we’re doing  with the city,  but if you like, lived there, she goes again,  living sitting on  a few lived experience sort of advisory

[00:48:17] Tara

committees with the mental health  commission which we found like really interesting to actively make change in  a few different services.  So just  a

[00:48:24] Tara

few more of those and just hopefully

[00:48:26] Tara

get out and yeah,  make some more change and access to female services as well.

[00:48:32] Josh

Beautiful.  Oh,  thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule to chat to us so much. Yeah  it was absolutely fantastic talking to you and wish you all the best on the rest of  your journey.

[00:48:44] Tara

Thank you so much.

[00:48:46] Josh

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[00:50:12] Annette

Thanks for joining us today on inspirational australian’s podcast.  We  hope you enjoyed listening and have been inspired by ordinary Australians achieving  extraordinary things. So it’s goodbye for another week. Remember together we make  a difference.