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Bianca-Jaye Mazzuchelli is making the world more inclusive for neurodiverse children

In this week’s episode, Josh chats with Bianca-Jaye Mazzuchelli, finalist of the Spirit Super Create Change Award at the 2023 7NEWS Young Achiever Awards Victoria.

Bianca is a proud Gunditjmara woman who is currently studying her undergraduate degree in Psychological Science. She talks about the development of Auditory Sensory Prevention Technology (ASPT), which is an earpiece that emits white noise and is designed to help children and adults who are neurodiverse, to combat challenges they may face in social settings due to sound sensitivity. In 2022 her ASPT start-up won the Swinburn Venture Cup.

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a reliable indicator of future performance. So now to our guest Bianca-Jaye Mazzuchelli.

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Who’s spreading awareness on autism spectrum disorder, and neurodiversity,  Bianca Jaye is

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a proud Gunditjmara woman. She’s developed the auditory sensory prevention technology,

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or as Patty, as our show, referred to it early moving forward,  designed to help children and adults with autism,

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or who are neurodiverse to combat the challenges they face in social settings,

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and live an inclusive social life. In twenty twenty two,

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she won the Swinburne Venture Cup for her aspt, and of course we know Bianca. As

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a finalist in the most recent 7News,

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Young Achiever Awards Victoria in the Spirit Super Create Change Award. So welcome to the podcast, Bianca-Jaye.

[00:03:46] Bianca-Jaye

Thank you very much for having me.

[00:03:49] Josh

Yes,  fantastic.

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What’s the day been like for you so far?

[00:03:52] Bianca-Jaye

I started the day with my first first day back at University, so a full on day.

[00:03:59] Josh

Yeah,  I can imagine so first day back from just term break or we had a bit of

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a break in your studies.

[00:04:05] Bianca-Jaye

Yes, I just a mid-semester break. So now coming into my third year of my undergraduate, so

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awesome. And so what is it that you’re studying?

[00:04:13] Bianca-Jaye

So I’m doing my bachelor of psychological sciences with a double minor in criminology and applied psychology. And

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criminology is one of those ones to me that’s like sad is so interesting. Is it?

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Is it like as interesting as it seems like, you know,

[00:04:27] Bianca-Jaye

I think it is so like I added on my mind or criminology just purely out of interest

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because you know,  it was true crime documentaries and your law and order feels like, Oh,

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you know what? I want to learn more about this,

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so that’s how I got into the criminology side as well as obviously the psychology side.

[00:04:44] Josh

Glad it’s not just me. I thought that kind of stuff.  That’s awesome. So yeah.

[00:04:50] Josh

Back into Uni. Thanks for making time to be on the podcast today. So much to talk

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about and you know, start in the obvious place a SBT,

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auditory sensory prevention technology. It sounds pretty complicated, can you,  you know,

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give us the layman’s terms or help us kind of understand what that means.

[00:05:09] Bianca-Jaye

You know what, it sounds very complicated, but the basis of it,

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it is something actually really simple. So the auditory sensory prevention

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technology is an ear piece that disperses white noise. So it’s not

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a noise cancelling headphone, it’s not a hearing aid, it’s

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a one function ear piece that will disperse white noise to the person wearing it.

[00:05:31] Bianca-Jaye

That will counteract the over stimuli that people with autism and other diagnoses

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face in a social setting. So imagine a school excursion or a birthday party,  places that are quite loud and

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a quite overwhelming.

[00:05:46] Josh

So my understanding of kind of sensory overload and you know,

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stimuli and things like that is coming from having two small children,

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myself and my wife, you know, is kind of sharing that, Oh geez,

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at certain times just the noise level is too much. And so yeah,

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we’ve talked about it heaps and yeah, I hate saying this,

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but I did my own research. You know what I mean?

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Just looking up and kind of yeah, uh, just understanding a bit more about it and why that is Such

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a trigger for people. So from that point of view,  it does make sense what you’re talking about and having

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a family member who is on the autism spectrum. Yeah,

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I can see how that would would be helpful. What is it that led you down the path of

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working on these kind of things?

[00:06:31] Bianca-Jaye

So it’s with this, I want to say I came about it by accident,

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but it was done through a assignment in my human factors in psychology,

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which is how we as people work with technology on a psychological basis,

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I think like aviation or driving a car or you know,

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why do we want to push the red button that says do not press. And I had these list

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of assignment topics and I had a look and I was like, you know what?

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None of them are jumping out to me. None of them have,

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like sparked my interest. So I asked them like,

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can I do mine on autism studies or neurodiversity because it’s something very close

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to my heart. And something I’ve grown up with, you know, from,

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from birth having parents and family members. You know,

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who are on the Spectrum and then from that I had a think and I through my research,

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I went, well,  why don’t we combine the use of headphones and noise canceling things with the use

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of white noise.

[00:07:25] Bianca-Jaye

So I sat down with a pencil and

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a bit of paper and the next thing you know, I’ve had,

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I came up with this design and my lecture went young,

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do you understand that this is something that can be made?

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And I was like, no, it’s not. And

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now here we are from that. So it’s been a really big journey.

[00:07:43] Josh

That’s pretty cool. Most people have ideas that sound good on

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paper and then you kind of explore and you’re like, Oh,

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that’s not going to work. That’s not feasible or it’s already been done. It’s

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released in, you know, fifteen hundred different models. So this is

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a rare occasion where you’ve kind of come up with this bit of an idea.

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And actually

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a, as you lecture said, you can make it and be, you know, utomi is,

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it’s something that’s readily kind of available already. Is this, I think that’s,  that’s really common out there.

[00:08:10] Bianca-Jaye

It’s not common at all. So the example that I use is just say a parent, a teacher, or

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a child in primary school who’s neurodiverse. And this is the closest thing that we

[00:08:23] Bianca-Jaye

have to the device currently, that you’re at a school excursion,

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and you’re at the zoo and it’s loud and it’s overwhelming. And you know that you’re

[00:08:32] Bianca-Jaye

going to hit that peak of a meltdown.

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And other people can say you’re going to hit that peak of

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a meltdown. By the time you get out an iPad or an iPhone or headphones,

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and making sure that the five year old has the capacity to hold it or remove them

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from the situation. They’re already at

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a full blown meltdown level. So what we’ve done is made sure that this is very

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easily accessible and that it’s quick so,

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and it’s controlled by the person wearing it so that child can feel their emotions

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starting to rise. They can feel that it’s starting to get too much,

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and they’ve just got to press the button and the distraction chemistry as being the

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white noise. So the closest thing at the moment is that whole headphones and,

[00:09:14] Bianca-Jaye

and phone. And even if that is accessible at that time,

[00:09:17] Bianca-Jaye

so this will be worn by the person already to go.

[00:09:23] Josh

Yeah, that’s cool. Very,  very cool. And I know you mean I’ve got a four year old and

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a six year old. So if they, if something is needed now,

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it’s literally now one minute delay and it’s too late. So exactly as you said,

[00:09:35] Bianca-Jaye

Yeah,  that’s it. And so my focus is predominantly on youth. But it’s also for adults as

[00:09:42] Bianca-Jaye

well. And we’re looking at different diagnoses on the neurodivergent scale like ADHD, where you might be sitting in

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a meeting. And it’s that fidgety and it’s all getting too much. And you don’t want

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to concentrate any more. Instead of having those urges, you know,  to pattern or to leave or to stop wriggling,

[00:10:02] Bianca-Jaye

we can use things like green noise to come in in an ear pace. So yeah,

[00:10:08] Bianca-Jaye

wide range of uses. But it’s very exciting to see all these different things that potentially could be useful

[00:10:15] Josh

for sure. So you have to educate me what’s grey noise.  I’m not aware of that one.

[00:10:18] Bianca-Jaye

So we’ve got a couple of noises. I refer to them as noises. So about white noise, grey noise,

[00:10:25] Bianca-Jaye

blue noise, pink noise brown noise,  and the definition is pretty much the frequency of the noises is different. So

[00:10:32] Bianca-Jaye

where is the white noise? You have a quite high pitch that static think of an old TV noise,

[00:10:38] Bianca-Jaye

whereas green noise is quite low. I reflect, I think of

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a washing machine or an ocean sound. So it’s the same basis,

[00:10:46] Bianca-Jaye

but the frequency of the sound varies in level.

[00:10:50] Josh

Yeah. And so a grey noise is that meant to, you know,

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assist with people’s brain activity or something. You’re saying that in a meeting that,  that could be useful.

[00:10:58] Bianca-Jaye

Yes. So things that we’re not noise cancelling. You can still actually hear everything that’s going on.

[00:11:03] Bianca-Jaye

It’s just,

[00:11:04] Bianca-Jaye

it’s just diverting the mind to something else rather than everything else. Yeah, that makes

[00:11:12] Josh

sense. Hmm,  that’s interesting way to think about it completely different to you know, how

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a lot of people would be like myself, obviously speaking for you know,

[00:11:21] Josh

view how we should be hearing things. You want to hear everything.

[00:11:25] Bianca-Jaye

Yeah. That. And it’s, you know, there’s

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a safety reasons why we like you still want to be included and inclusive in these

[00:11:31] Bianca-Jaye

conversations. But those with diagnoses that are in, you’re neurodivergent,  it’s not that easy just sitting there and concentrating like

[00:11:40] Bianca-Jaye

a divorce. I will say your typical person instead of your typical kid. So it’s in

[00:11:45] Bianca-Jaye

getting that inclusivity as well where people don’t have to remove themselves or

[00:11:49] Bianca-Jaye

feel like maybe being looked at or not behaving in a way that’s expected in these social situations.

[00:11:58] Josh

Yeah,  for sure. So it’s part of the, you know,

[00:12:01] Josh

the bio I read mentioned that you won the burn Venture Cup. So you know,

[00:12:07] Josh

I think first you let us know what the Venture Cup is and,  and how you went about winning it.

[00:12:12] Bianca-Jaye

So the swim and adventure Cup is through the innovation precinct at Swinburne,

[00:12:16] Bianca-Jaye

which is all about invention and business and getting things out from the ground

[00:12:23] Bianca-Jaye

from an idea concept you know, to a full blown product or company. And I did

[00:12:29] Bianca-Jaye

a couple of like science competitions beforehand and then the same lecture that

[00:12:35] Bianca-Jaye

said that the device could be made sent me the information for the bench Cup. I was like, you know,

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this is something I’m interested in. I enjoy public speaking. I enjoy competing and

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I get my idea out there like in front of a room of professionals. So I got together

[00:12:53] Bianca-Jaye

a pitch and I had training that was provided.

[00:12:56] Bianca-Jaye

So six weeks beforehand and very

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honoured to be up there with students doing their days or professors or alumni from

[00:13:04] Bianca-Jaye

Swinburne when I was still an undergrad undergraduate myself and went up there,

[00:13:09] Bianca-Jaye

spoke about my passion and, and which is, you know,

[00:13:12] Bianca-Jaye

helping people with autism and neurodiversity and actually I knew I’d want it,

[00:13:17] Josh

that’s pretty cool, especially as you said,  against people doing PhDs and alumni and things like that.

[00:13:23] Bianca-Jaye

Yeah. It’s, you know,  it still seems very surreal to be put in this category with people. I’m still

[00:13:29] Bianca-Jaye

currently in my undergraduate, so I just started the idea today. So you know,

[00:13:34] Bianca-Jaye

the future of where all this lies is very exciting and also having the help of

[00:13:39] Bianca-Jaye

these people alongside me through the journey has been Incredible.

[00:13:44] Josh

Was it a case of when you were announced as the winner?  Like what was your feeling at that time?

[00:13:51] Bianca-Jaye

So I actually sat there and I was clapping in my seat because I hadn’t realized and

[00:13:56] Bianca-Jaye

then I actually had my mom with me who flew down from Brisbane. And she’s like,

[00:14:00] Bianca-Jaye

yeah, this is you and I was like, what’s your name?  You know, this is me,

[00:14:04] Bianca-Jaye

I just want it. So it was absolutely surreal. Incredible.

[00:14:11] Bianca-Jaye

You know, there was

[00:14:11] Bianca-Jaye

a pickup given and a man like, you know,

[00:14:14] Bianca-Jaye

my name is going to be in that swimsuit and for the entirety of swim that. You know,

[00:14:19] Bianca-Jaye

it’s something that I can go back and show my kids and my grandkids that you know,

[00:14:22] Bianca-Jaye

my name is on this Cup with some amazing companies and technologies that have

[00:14:27] Bianca-Jaye

changed the world. So that’s, that concept is so hard to grasp. Still, you know,  that’s my name there.

[00:14:35] Josh

We give out a lot of trophies with the young achiever awards and the community achievement

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awards. But I got to say there is something pretty cool about a Cup

[00:14:42] Bianca-Jaye

there is and it’s, you know,

[00:14:45] Bianca-Jaye

I was carrying around the Cup all night. So there was actually two winners. There was an alumni winner and

[00:14:50] Bianca-Jaye

a current student winner. But that Cup was mine for the night. That was I was very,

[00:14:55] Bianca-Jaye

very excited to have the big Cup and carry it around.

[00:15:00] Josh

Yeah, that is awesome.

[00:15:01] Josh

So,  sounds like a really good program where you had, as you said,

[00:15:05] Josh

six weeks of kind of support leading up and you know, what,

[00:15:09] Josh

what kind of areas did you feel you needed the most support with and kind of where

[00:15:14] Josh

were you feeling already, you know, strong in

[00:15:17] Bianca-Jaye

so public speaking,  I feel quite strong and I’m very,

[00:15:21] Bianca-Jaye

I’m quite comfortable. I grew up in the performing arts debate in front of

[00:15:24] Bianca-Jaye

a crowd. You know, it’s like a second home. But whereas, you know,

[00:15:28] Bianca-Jaye

coming to it towards a business perspective, I’m a, I’m

[00:15:31] Bianca-Jaye

a psych student like I know the brain and I know about behaviours. But in terms of the business,

[00:15:36] Bianca-Jaye

I really had no concept of idea. I what it took and then the

[00:15:43] Bianca-Jaye

engineering of the product as well, because again,  I’m not an engineer. So you know,

[00:15:47] Bianca-Jaye

working with all these people and going from business everywhere from your ABN to,

[00:15:53] Bianca-Jaye

you know, your full blown patent and patents and everything like that. So,  and it’s still

[00:15:58] Bianca-Jaye

a journey that I am on. So now working with Swinburne and medtech in conjunction

[00:16:03] Bianca-Jaye

and meeting people that work for the likes of Johnson and Johnson. And now going

[00:16:07] Bianca-Jaye

into the medical side of it,

[00:16:09] Bianca-Jaye

which is something that I never thought would be in my wheelhouse of things of

[00:16:13] Bianca-Jaye

working with people. Yeah. In a medical field. So

[00:16:18] Josh

yeah, well, you know,  you kind of led me to one of the questions I want to ask you,

[00:16:21] Josh

which is perfect. Where is it up to?  Now, you know, because as you said,

[00:16:26] Josh

there’s patents involved as medical side. I imagine there’d be quite

[00:16:30] Josh

a long process of getting something like this, you know,  from concept stage to kind of rapidly, not rapidly,

[00:16:36] Josh

readily being produced

[00:16:38] Bianca-Jaye

yet. So this at the moment we’re working with different

[00:16:41] Bianca-Jaye

sound boards to get the sound correct. And then we’re going into,

[00:16:47] Bianca-Jaye

we get to go in to the research side,

[00:16:49] Bianca-Jaye

which is where I’m most excited for this to go. I’m planning on doing my master’s

[00:16:54] Bianca-Jaye

in research in this particular field because of the device and because of the spike

[00:17:00] Bianca-Jaye

in interest.

[00:17:01] Bianca-Jaye

So at the moment, yeah,  we’re playing around with different sound boards and making sure that that

[00:17:06] Bianca-Jaye

frequency is correct, That the sound is safe. The volume is safe,

[00:17:10] Bianca-Jaye

everything works. And then we start with the functionality of it and you know,

[00:17:14] Bianca-Jaye

we get to test and on people that are, that are willing to come and be

[00:17:20] Bianca-Jaye

a Guinea pig for me. While we get all these up and running to see how grateful the

[00:17:24] Bianca-Jaye

impact we can have and how quickly we can measure brainwaves and everything from an

[00:17:29] Bianca-Jaye

overstimulation, you know, to a calm,  a calmness within the brain using using white noise.

[00:17:37] Josh

So a device like this can usually or could take years really to, to be as you said,

[00:17:44] Josh

workshopped researched and then kind of all those things that need to happen.

[00:17:49] Bianca-Jaye

Yeah,  it can take years and I’m very fortunate that I’ve started this in my second unit

[00:17:55] Bianca-Jaye

and it’s been less than twelve months since I’ve won the Venture Cup. So it’s going very, very quickly for

[00:18:01] Bianca-Jaye

a new technology and in the medical field. Everything like that. However, for me,  I want everything you know,

[00:18:07] Bianca-Jaye

ready to go and then learning that that doesn’t work in these kind of processes,

[00:18:11] Bianca-Jaye

that it does take time and a lot of patience. So it’s just taking it every step as it comes,

[00:18:18] Bianca-Jaye

working through it,  and I don’t want to put out something that’s got any flaws. So getting it to that

[00:18:26] Bianca-Jaye

perfect status to be readily available on the market.

[00:18:29] Bianca-Jaye

And I’ve always said that I

[00:18:31] Bianca-Jaye

want it available at chemist warehouse, you know,

[00:18:34] Bianca-Jaye

for your everyday family affordable. Because I know the costs of what it can be

[00:18:39] Bianca-Jaye

with a child that’s got autism spectrum disorder or an other diagnosis of you know,

[00:18:45] Bianca-Jaye

occupational therapy, doctor’s appointment, speech therapist,

[00:18:49] Bianca-Jaye

and it all adds up. So chemist warehouse is my goal always has been so that’s

[00:18:55] Bianca-Jaye

hopefully where we’ll end up.

[00:18:57] Josh

Yeah, that’s awesome.  Would you say that?  You know, I guess maybe it’s just terminology but, but Bianca,

[00:19:03] Josh

would you say that you know, you’ve got to start up?  Or is it something

[00:19:08] Bianca-Jaye

else that’s exactly what it is. It’s a start up companies. So,

[00:19:11] Bianca-Jaye

you know, there’s other things within this company which, you know, I’ve created,

[00:19:16] Bianca-Jaye

I guess now of things that I want to look into. One of them is, you know,

[00:19:19] Bianca-Jaye

writing children’s books about inclusivity and diversity and how we,

[00:19:24] Bianca-Jaye

as non neurodiverse people interact with those who are neurodiverse and it’s all

[00:19:31] Bianca-Jaye

for me, it’s all about inclusion and that sociability and I believe that it’s

[00:19:35] Bianca-Jaye

a human right for every child to have a friend or have the ability to make

[00:19:39] Bianca-Jaye

a friend, which we see a lot happening with young children with autism spectrum disorder where that

[00:19:44] Bianca-Jaye

sociability is not there due to being overwhelmed. And the startup company is on

[00:19:50] Bianca-Jaye

the way and hopefully I can dip my toe into a few different things,

[00:19:53] Bianca-Jaye

but still to do with the neurodiversity, Oh,

[00:19:59] Josh

so you did,

[00:19:59] Josh

you did touch on it earlier on, but you said

[00:20:01] Josh

it was a very personal to you. So,  you know, happy to speak

[00:20:04] Josh

a bit more about that and kind of where that was founded and,

[00:20:09] Josh

and kind of why it’s so important to you.

[00:20:12] Bianca-Jaye

Yeah,  absolutely. So my best friend’s brother, Matthew, who is now twenty five years old,

[00:20:19] Bianca-Jaye

very high on the Spectrum. Verbal but very limited in communication and I’ve

[00:20:26] Bianca-Jaye

watched Matthew grow up and I’ve seen the struggles of what happens when he’s in

[00:20:30] Bianca-Jaye

a social setting and it does get too much and the way that people can look at him

[00:20:34] Bianca-Jaye

sometimes, and it breaks my heart that you know,

[00:20:36] Bianca-Jaye

he hasn’t had the same opportunity that I have had or my best friend has had,  you know,

[00:20:42] Bianca-Jaye

he locked himself in his room some days and it’s I’ve seen how detrimental it can

[00:20:48] Bianca-Jaye

be to his mental health. Now, you know,

[00:20:50] Bianca-Jaye

this is something he’s lived with for twenty five years and you know,

[00:20:54] Bianca-Jaye

that friendships aren’t there. You know, and it’s,

[00:20:58] Bianca-Jaye

I call him one of my best friends because I love him to pieces. He’s like,

[00:21:02] Bianca-Jaye

he’s like my brother.

[00:21:03] Bianca-Jaye

So, you know, helping children like him from

[00:21:06] Bianca-Jaye

a young age being able to have that sociability can make

[00:21:09] Bianca-Jaye

a great impact even coming into adolescent and then going into adulthood. So he’s

[00:21:14] Bianca-Jaye

been a massive inspiration to me and everything I’m doing,

[00:21:18] Bianca-Jaye

I’m doing to help people like Matthew to be more included to be more included in everyday life.

[00:21:24] Josh

Yeah, for sure. I think that’s a really interesting point. You mentioned, you know,

[00:21:28] Josh

with that context in mind about, you know,

[00:21:30] Josh

books and things like that and kind of just making it normal and normalizing people

[00:21:35] Josh

because I feel sometimes, you know,  and you can extend this to disability of any type that people almost sort

[00:21:42] Josh

themselves out of like,

[00:21:43] Josh

I don’t want to say the wrong thing or upset anyone and so they just think, well,

[00:21:47] Josh

it’s easy if I just don’t talk to them.

[00:21:50] Bianca-Jaye

Yeah. And that’s exactly right. And I was quite and with this once we had

[00:21:54] Bianca-Jaye

a family friend when autism was kind of first coming into focus

[00:22:01] Bianca-Jaye

with high levels of being diagnosed and Children being diagnosed with autism

[00:22:07] Bianca-Jaye

spectrum disorder. And I saw with him, you know,  at five and six years old when he’d be at

[00:22:12] Bianca-Jaye

a birthday party and his behavior would be seen as out of control and the hitting

[00:22:17] Bianca-Jaye

and the biting would stop. And the parents of the other kids went, well,

[00:22:21] Bianca-Jaye

we don’t want him at our kid’s birthday parties because of the behavior. And the

[00:22:26] Bianca-Jaye

next thing you know this, you know, five,

[00:22:28] Bianca-Jaye

six year old boy is invited to birthday parties anymore. Out of Salt Lake that’s

[00:22:33] Bianca-Jaye

very much out of his control. And it’s heartbreaking to parents as well. You know,

[00:22:38] Bianca-Jaye

and it’s not just the socialization of the kid that suffers. It’s the socialization

[00:22:42] Bianca-Jaye

of the parent. Because then you only are ostracized because of your child’s behavior, which, you know,

[00:22:48] Bianca-Jaye

you don’t know how to control and the child doesn’t know how to control either. So

[00:22:52] Bianca-Jaye

it’s making sure that everyone is being included in a, in a social setting. And,

[00:22:57] Bianca-Jaye

you know, being able to enjoy these birthday parties without, you know,  having that stigma attached of,

[00:23:03] Bianca-Jaye

but behavioral issues or all your diagnoses. So yeah,  very big on inclusivity.

[00:23:10] Josh

Do you think?  You said like I have now a diagnosis and I guess awareness is coming

[00:23:16] Josh

a bit more into focus. And, you know,  you’ve said the word neurodiverse and your diversity, that’s obviously becoming

[00:23:23] Josh

a much more used term. People are more aware now of what that is. Do you think even

[00:23:28] Josh

things like that is helping the situation?

[00:23:31] Bianca-Jaye

Oh, absolutely,  and I think it’s helping those who are diagnosed as neurodiverse as well. And it’s

[00:23:38] Bianca-Jaye

not that it gives an explanation to behaviours, but it’s giving that, you know,  almost like

[00:23:43] Bianca-Jaye

a community of people who are neurodiverse that have found each other.

[00:23:47] Bianca-Jaye

And it’s

[00:23:47] Bianca-Jaye

like, you know, people can go, well, you know, I’m neurodiverse, you know,

[00:23:51] Bianca-Jaye

I’ve got autism spectrum disorder and then you’ll find someone else go, Oh,

[00:23:55] Bianca-Jaye

I’m neurodiverse, I’ve got extreme anxiety being around people,

[00:23:58] Bianca-Jaye

social anxiety. And then you know, you have people diagnosed with ADHD going on,

[00:24:03] Bianca-Jaye

I’m also neurodiverse and so and then through the likes of Social media as well.

[00:24:09] Bianca-Jaye

You see all these people connect and in university settings as well. We see now the

[00:24:14] Bianca-Jaye

increase of quiet spaces and safe spaces where we’re catering for people who are

[00:24:20] Bianca-Jaye

neurodiverse, which is really awesome to see and even tactile playgrounds,

[00:24:25] Bianca-Jaye

coming into play for kids. You know, where I know that there’s trampoline parks,

[00:24:31] Bianca-Jaye

especially catered for children with autism. Which is absolutely Incredible to see all these starting to come in.

[00:24:39] Josh

Yeah,  for sure. There is lots of change happening. You know,

[00:24:42] Josh

even I’ve seen like the tic talks and rio’s normalising talking about being on the

[00:24:48] Josh

Spectrum and things like that, which is awesome.

[00:24:50] Josh

You know, for you being a researcher, obviously and still in university,

[00:24:54] Josh

what do you think are some of the future or Where’s that the field headed in terms of your diversity?

[00:25:01] Bianca-Jaye

All the field in your diversity. It’s something that’s definitely being explored a lot more. And you know,

[00:25:08] Bianca-Jaye

we still don’t have an explanation as to why people are diagnosed with autism. We

[00:25:15] Bianca-Jaye

don’t know the underlying causes of what actually happens in the brain. So this is

[00:25:20] Bianca-Jaye

something that’s got a lot of research ahead of it.

[00:25:24] Bianca-Jaye

For myself,

[00:25:25] Bianca-Jaye

my research will be with you and your device in the use of sound. You know,

[00:25:28] Bianca-Jaye

how far can we take something as simple as sound into the field of neurodiversity

[00:25:34] Bianca-Jaye

and then going on to other mental illnesses as well. Like an example I’ve been

[00:25:40] Bianca-Jaye

asked was, well, what about the likes of a diagnoses like schizophrenia?

[00:25:43] Bianca-Jaye

Can we use something as simple as sound to counteract voices in the head, from

[00:25:49] Bianca-Jaye

a change of concentration of going from one thing to the sound. So it’s

[00:25:55] Bianca-Jaye

a very exciting well that’s one side of the field. But in terms of neurodiversity,

[00:26:01] Bianca-Jaye

we’re learning A lot more. And now we have the likes of, you know,

[00:26:04] Bianca-Jaye

people doing their masters in autism studies. So all these things are coming about

[00:26:09] Bianca-Jaye

and I think it’s just going to make the world a lot more inclusive and people

[00:26:13] Bianca-Jaye

a lot more understanding of neurodiversity

[00:26:17] Josh

now I’m throwing a bit of a curveball question here at you. So hopefully it’s not too too curvy,

[00:26:24] Josh

but you know, I’m just thinking out loud. Like, obviously

[00:26:27] Josh

a lot of us would know someone who is neurodiverse and there’s probably

[00:26:31] Josh

a lot of employers or people, you know,

[00:26:34] Josh

working in teams that might have someone who’s neurodiverse in them. You know,

[00:26:37] Josh

with your kind of expert background. Do you think,

[00:26:40] Josh

did you have any tips for people on how to best connect with or you know,

[00:26:45] Josh

engage an employee, for example, for example, who has that?  Yeah,

[00:26:49] Bianca-Jaye

absolutely. And look, the number one thing to do is if a person’s come to you said I am neurodiverse,

[00:26:55] Bianca-Jaye

ask what their triggers are. Number one and then ask them what they can put in

[00:27:00] Bianca-Jaye

place for when they may get triggered or overwhelmed. You know,

[00:27:05] Bianca-Jaye

making sure that that person doesn’t feel like they’re going to get in trouble if

[00:27:08] Bianca-Jaye

they need to escalate themselves. So they come back to be still involved. Yeah,  that’s

[00:27:12] Bianca-Jaye

a problem. And everyone’s individual as well. So you might have something in place for, you know,

[00:27:19] Bianca-Jaye

we’ve got employees who are diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder. Not all their

[00:27:24] Bianca-Jaye

triggers are going to be the same and not all the treatments are going to be the

[00:27:27] Bianca-Jaye

same. So really customizing to the individual of what triggers them,  what helps them for some people it might be,

[00:27:35] Bianca-Jaye

it might be the use of sound. For some people it might be having a bouncy ball or

[00:27:39] Bianca-Jaye

a clicky pen or something to fidget with while being in meetings and you know,

[00:27:43] Bianca-Jaye

not discriminating against those people for what they need to be included.

[00:27:48] Josh

Yep.  That’s a good one. You know, on a personal note,

[00:27:52] Josh

I know someone who he’s neurodiverse, but he just loves researching

[00:27:57] Josh

a topic like he focusing in on a topic. And then he’ll, you know,

[00:28:01] Josh

research and research and research.

[00:28:03] Josh

He’s part of that team at awards,

[00:28:05] Josh

Australia and we use his skill because we have

[00:28:07] Josh

a lot of people who are nominated in the awards and they kind of, you know,

[00:28:12] Josh

and it’s, it’s really sweet because they’re so humble. They’re like, Oh,  I haven’t really done anything. And

[00:28:17] Josh

a quick Google will show you that they’ve volunteered for twenty years that they’ve

[00:28:23] Josh

got a doctorate in this. And they’ve been helping the community in

[00:28:25] Josh

a myriad of different ways. And so he actually uses his skill on that and kind of says,

[00:28:31] Josh

I’ll look at them with this kind of fans information on you. Absolutely Incredible.

[00:28:36] Josh

You should definitely nominate and, and they kind of go, wow,

[00:28:40] Josh

like I didn’t even know that information was out there. About me. That’s unbelievable. And so, you know,

[00:28:46] Josh

I feel like you can just use people’s skills and their interests and,

[00:28:50] Josh

and trait trader as an asset rather than a negative

[00:28:55] Bianca-Jaye

or exactly, utilize,  utilize these skills. And you don’t utilize the wealth of knowledge that comes with

[00:29:01] Bianca-Jaye

people who are hyper focused on a certain topic because you’re never going to find someone that’s better in the

[00:29:07] Bianca-Jaye

field or more knowledgeable in the field for someone who has Such an interesting

[00:29:11] Bianca-Jaye

appetite, almost live and breathe it, you know,

[00:29:14] Bianca-Jaye

and it’s sometimes it’s Incredible to sit down with people who’ve been diagnosed

[00:29:19] Bianca-Jaye

with autism and speak to them about what they love. And you can see the brain fire

[00:29:26] Bianca-Jaye

because they’ve got so much to tell you that sometimes you just have to be like,

[00:29:30] Bianca-Jaye

thank you enough information, but seeing that excitement,

[00:29:35] Bianca-Jaye

I have that with Matthew as well, like Harry Potter legacy is a massive one,

[00:29:40] Bianca-Jaye

which I’m a Lego fan myself,

[00:29:42] Bianca-Jaye

so I ask him about it and then the next thing I’ve been sitting there for three

[00:29:46] Bianca-Jaye

hours, and it’s like, Oh,

[00:29:48] Bianca-Jaye

I know everything there is to know now that every single Harry Potter Lego set that

[00:29:53] Bianca-Jaye

has come on the market. Yeah,

[00:29:55] Bianca-Jaye

it can be very heartwarming to watch when people have Such an interest and Such

[00:30:00] Bianca-Jaye

a love for a set and

[00:30:01] Josh

topic. Yeah, for sure.  You know,  another thing I want to ask you about in terms of, you know,

[00:30:07] Josh

the field of neurodiversity getting back to that I guess is, you know,

[00:30:11] Josh

you mentioned something to me off air about the amount of different diagnoses there are. You know, for me,

[00:30:17] Josh

I guess not being an expert in the area. My kind of understanding is very limited.

[00:30:22] Josh

So yeah. Can you help us understand what types of diagnoses there are and the background on that?

[00:30:28] Bianca-Jaye

Yeah,  absolutely. So the diagnosis is all of autism spectrum disorder has changed over

[00:30:34] Bianca-Jaye

the course of ten years. But ten to fifteen years where we’ve gone away from things

[00:30:39] Bianca-Jaye

like asperger’s which used to be a diagnosis in conjunction with autism,

[00:30:43] Bianca-Jaye

which now doesn’t exist. And now it’s on a Spectrum scale,

[00:30:46] Bianca-Jaye

so you’ve got your high functioning autism and your low functioning autism. So

[00:30:50] Bianca-Jaye

that’s one band of it. And then you,  again you’ve got ADHD which can be categorised.

[00:30:56] Bianca-Jaye

Some people with ADHD

[00:30:58] Bianca-Jaye

may be quite hyperactive,  which is what our stereotypical it looks like is that hyperactive can’t sit still,

[00:31:07] Bianca-Jaye

but there’s so much more on that scale there’s you know,  the sometimes there is the hyperfocus where you know,

[00:31:14] Bianca-Jaye

I must get this done. I must finish it and

[00:31:16] Bianca-Jaye

I’m not going to sleep until I do. And there’s the big mood swings as well in between of,

[00:31:22] Bianca-Jaye

on one side being so happy and overwhelmed that all these energy builds up to then

[00:31:26] Bianca-Jaye

going down. And it’s like all that crash,  almost like crash and burn of energy. And you’ve got anxiety,

[00:31:32] Bianca-Jaye

which of course has many different umbrellas with anxiety. Social anxiety is probably

[00:31:39] Bianca-Jaye

a big one for people. I feel like at the moment coming out of the covid pandemic,

[00:31:44] Bianca-Jaye

especially for somebody being locked inside for three years. It’s social anxiety of coming out,

[00:31:48] Bianca-Jaye

the other side can be quite overwhelming. Yes. And the social anxiety of that

[00:31:55] Bianca-Jaye

feeling, you know, is, are people watching me? Am I doing the right thing?

[00:31:59] Bianca-Jaye

This is just getting too much for me. So yeah, there’s a whole range,

[00:32:03] Bianca-Jaye

but they’re my three focus points. Majorly.

[00:32:07] Josh

Yeah. Well,  very interesting because when I was a kid exactly what age,

[00:32:11] Josh

but I was diagnosed with ADHD and then I’ll probably get this wrong. But I think as

[00:32:17] Josh

that went on they’re like, Oh no, it’s ADHD

[00:32:19] Josh

or something. I don’t know what it was,

[00:32:22] Josh

but eventually kind of like the medication wasn’t really doing that much for me

[00:32:26] Josh

personally because I don’t feel like I had the hyperactive thing where I was like,

[00:32:31] Josh

you know, I was almost the what you you’re saying about the,

[00:32:33] Josh

the crash of energy and then all of a sudden I was like,

[00:32:36] Josh

Oh well just don’t go limit the medication and as I became

[00:32:40] Josh

a teenager for whatever reason that seemed to you know,

[00:32:43] Josh

not really be as much of an issue. So I think people go through that

[00:32:46] Josh

a lot where they’re like, thinking back to the old days of like, Oh yeah,

[00:32:49] Josh

he’s got ADHD or asperger’s. But yeah, as you were saying, that’s not even a diagnosis anymore.

[00:32:55] Bianca-Jaye


[00:32:55] Bianca-Jaye

And it’s, you know,

[00:32:57] Bianca-Jaye

also we learn within ourselves sometimes what our triggers are or can be. And as we age we go, well,

[00:33:03] Bianca-Jaye

I’m probably not going to do that because I know the effects that it can have on me

[00:33:08] Bianca-Jaye

mentally or have an effect on my behavior. And sometimes we can’t help it. You know,

[00:33:13] Bianca-Jaye

we live in a world where it’s constantly on the go, where you can’t just be like,  you know what,

[00:33:17] Bianca-Jaye

I’m having an off day today. Hmm. I think

[00:33:19] Bianca-Jaye

now it’s starting to change as well. But,

[00:33:21] Bianca-Jaye

you know, I think I just need to stay at home in my own little bubble today,

[00:33:26] Bianca-Jaye

rather than go out and put myself in a social setting,

[00:33:29] Bianca-Jaye

which I know is going to cause me some anxiety or overwhelm witness to that change

[00:33:34] Bianca-Jaye

of diagnoses and all that and then learning how triggers as well,  which I think everyone would know, you know,

[00:33:41] Bianca-Jaye

what triggers them when that makes them feel uncomfortable. So yeah,  learning ourselves as we age in neurodiversity,

[00:33:50] Josh

which yeah, this is a bit anecdotal, but you know,

[00:33:54] Josh

I have heard from some people as well that it’s speaking of anxiety that actually

[00:33:57] Josh

the parents of a child being diagnosed can then get

[00:34:01] Josh

a lot of anxiety around it because it seems like, you know, Such

[00:34:05] Josh

a big deal and they kind of don’t want their kid to have that diagnosis. Have you

[00:34:09] Josh

encountered that at all?

[00:34:12] Bianca-Jaye

I haven’t as yet,

[00:34:14] Bianca-Jaye

but I do know I like so I’ve got friends in my age group where the kids are

[00:34:19] Bianca-Jaye

starting to turn that three or four where the energy is next level because there

[00:34:23] Bianca-Jaye

are three or four year old child and they, you know,

[00:34:26] Bianca-Jaye

they’ve asked I’m so scared that they’ve got ADHD or I’m so scared that they’re autistic because they you know,

[00:34:33] Bianca-Jaye

like having their alone time and it’s kind of having to say, well,

[00:34:36] Bianca-Jaye

you got to remember the kids are still kids as well. And there’s one thing having

[00:34:40] Bianca-Jaye

a diagnosis and there’s one thing of just doing normal child behaviour. Yeah. So

[00:34:45] Bianca-Jaye

that’s why we’ve got it separate them as well. And I think what’s happening is

[00:34:49] Bianca-Jaye

parents are so scared that there’s

[00:34:52] Bianca-Jaye

a diagnosis in their child that they’re trying to find it. Mhm rather than just

[00:34:58] Bianca-Jaye

kind of letting it watching and letting it play out and then going in and stepping

[00:35:04] Bianca-Jaye

in when needed. So I definitely think the anxiety is around there,

[00:35:07] Bianca-Jaye

but I also think the anxiety is not helping the cause of these children. So it’s a really, you know,

[00:35:14] Bianca-Jaye

kind of double edged sword that you’ve got going on at the moment. And of course,

[00:35:17] Bianca-Jaye

like again I go back to social media because it’s something that is so prevalent

[00:35:22] Bianca-Jaye

now in society where people will get on Tok,

[00:35:25] Bianca-Jaye

or they’ll get on Instagram and post their story and they’ll go, you know,

[00:35:29] Bianca-Jaye

this is my diagnosis and all the people go well I like two out of five of those

[00:35:33] Bianca-Jaye

things I’ve posted. So I must have

[00:35:35] Bianca-Jaye

a diagnosis as well. And then that passes on and then the next person watches it

[00:35:40] Bianca-Jaye

guys, you know, I like my, my socks coded a certain way. Oh,

[00:35:45] Bianca-Jaye

sounds like I’ve got OCD so it’s yeah, definitely trying to differentiate between

[00:35:52] Bianca-Jaye

a diagnosis which is very complex and there’s multiple different categories that you take off to be diagnosed with

[00:36:00] Bianca-Jaye

a neurological disorder rather than your social media diagnosis.

[00:36:06] Josh

Yep,  that’s so true and yeah,  kind of chuckling along that the know exactly what you’re talking about. It’s funny.

[00:36:13] Josh

So, you know, speaking of anxiety, this is a,

[00:36:15] Josh

this is probably my worst Segway of all time, but I’m going to give it

[00:36:19] Josh

a go. Speaking of anxiety, you said that you know, you love performing, you had

[00:36:24] Josh

a background of that that the public speaking element of your Venture Cup win

[00:36:29] Josh

wasn’t an issue. So I guess speaking of not having anxiety about those things,

[00:36:35] Josh

how did you find being at the, you know, the young,  achieve rewards and even you know,

[00:36:41] Josh

comparing that to the Venture Cup not comparing but like in a similar way,

[00:36:43] Josh

being in an awards program and going up on stage in front of people. That was fine

[00:36:48] Josh

for you as well.

[00:36:50] Bianca-Jaye

Oh,  that was the only thing I had was I was the first person called for the whole night.

[00:36:54] Bianca-Jaye

So start of the night everyone. There was Bianca. Your first up first category,  first person on

[00:37:00] Josh

stage alphabetical order, the

[00:37:02] Bianca-Jaye

alphabetical order,  and obviously this spirit,  Super creating change award was the first word being presented. I was like,

[00:37:09] Bianca-Jaye

this is it, I’m up. I’m your best as on the stage,

[00:37:12] Bianca-Jaye

but I was very lucky to have an amazing support network come and support me that

[00:37:17] Bianca-Jaye

night. You know, I had my family there, my partner there, my best friends there,

[00:37:22] Bianca-Jaye

and people from Swinburne as well. You know,

[00:37:25] Bianca-Jaye

that were all there to support me. So having that there as well. Definitely gave me

[00:37:30] Bianca-Jaye

that extra boost of confidence,

[00:37:32] Bianca-Jaye

but I’m still not too sure what’s worse.

[00:37:34] Bianca-Jaye

A room of five hundred strangers or your

[00:37:36] Bianca-Jaye

five closest friends is a

[00:37:39] Josh

that’s a good point. That’s tough, actually,

[00:37:42] Bianca-Jaye

you know,

[00:37:42] Josh

prefer doing a public speaking gig to five hundred strangers. I reckon.

[00:37:46] Bianca-Jaye

I agree. You know,  the strangers don’t know you from a bar. So, but yet, you know,

[00:37:50] Bianca-Jaye

you interact with your family and everything every day and you know,

[00:37:54] Bianca-Jaye

they know what you’re capable of. So it’s that little bit of,

[00:37:58] Bianca-Jaye

and I do get more nervous than my family come on watch as well. Naturally. You know,

[00:38:03] Bianca-Jaye

I want to make sure that doing them proud which, you know,  I don’t think everyone has that feeling.

[00:38:09] Josh

Yeah,  that’s awesome. So obviously you were a finalist in that category,  which was pretty cool. It was

[00:38:15] Josh

a very diverse range of people in that category. Doing different things, you know,

[00:38:21] Josh

would you looking back and I don’t know if I’m allowed to say this,

[00:38:25] Josh

someone can edit it out if I’m not.

[00:38:27] Josh

But I think your mom nominated you in the awards. Right?

[00:38:30] Bianca-Jaye

Yeah,  she did.

[00:38:31] Josh

Yeah. Which is awesome. I love that. I’ve had some people say they don’t

[00:38:36] Josh

want to let their son or daughter know that nominated them because it’s

[00:38:40] Josh

embarrassing and I say no it’s. It’s amazing. It’s Such a compliment. What did what, how did that work?

[00:38:45] Josh

Did she tell you one day that nominating you or or how when she nominated you in

[00:38:50] Josh

the awards? What happened?

[00:38:51] Bianca-Jaye

I’m so it was more like we both saw it advertised on TV through channel seven and

[00:38:57] Bianca-Jaye

mum sent me the brief as well. Chloe is,

[00:39:00] Bianca-Jaye

is something and I spoke to Swinburne about it as well and everything like that. So all speaking together,

[00:39:06] Bianca-Jaye

mum was the one that put through the the nomination. Yeah. And,

[00:39:11] Bianca-Jaye

and then obviously got contacted to expand on what mum’s knowledge was of what I do

[00:39:17] Bianca-Jaye

to then expand to go more in depth and then Yes

[00:39:20] Bianca-Jaye

. And then is over there. So like,  you know, we were putting through a nomination so it was. Yeah,

[00:39:27] Bianca-Jaye

absolutely amazing. And then you’re filling in the gaps because, you know,

[00:39:31] Bianca-Jaye

mum gave it a bit of pressure to fill in everything. You know,

[00:39:34] Bianca-Jaye

she had to work with me on that as well. Because, you know,

[00:39:37] Bianca-Jaye

I can’t remember everything you’ve done over the past twelve months because it’s been, you know, a massive journey.

[00:39:43] Josh

Yeah, it’s a good team effort. And you know,  from our perspective running the awards,

[00:39:47] Josh

we have nothing to do with judging other than bringing the experts together and

[00:39:51] Josh

putting them in the right place and giving them access to the all the documents

[00:39:55] Josh

they need. But you know, we do try and help our nominees in putting forward

[00:39:59] Josh

a really good application.

[00:40:01] Josh

Because I always say that awards programs are like the

[00:40:04] Josh

perfect vehicle for storytelling. Because people nominate in and that’s, you know,

[00:40:09] Josh

our way of collecting some stories. It goes through to

[00:40:12] Josh

a judging process. That’s our way of filtering through which of the best stories

[00:40:15] Josh

and then awards night podcasts. These kind of things is how we share the stories.

[00:40:21] Josh

But obviously your mum’s nominated you Super lovely and she’s not an expert in your diversity in your studies,

[00:40:30] Josh

in your research. So that’s where our team go. Oh, look,

[00:40:33] Josh

we’ve got this great story in, but we can tell that there’s

[00:40:37] Josh

a bit of detail that might need to be filled in

[00:40:39] Josh

here. So that was kind of a bit of

[00:40:42] Josh

a precursor or a bit of context as to why that happens.

[00:40:45] Bianca-Jaye

Yeah, and as well,  you know, my mum’s been diagnosed with ADHD and so for

[00:40:50] Bianca-Jaye

a long time my mum did her psych degree so I don’t want to say how many years

[00:40:57] Bianca-Jaye

ago now you know

[00:40:58] Josh

that same safe option

[00:41:00] Bianca-Jaye

had mum is a psychologist. You know,  who is also neurodiverse, so a lot of the behaviours I know, and

[00:41:05] Bianca-Jaye

a lot of my expertise comes from, you know,  watching her and especially the behavioural side. So, you know,

[00:41:13] Bianca-Jaye

when I do all of this as well,

[00:41:15] Bianca-Jaye

my focus is on autism spectrum disorder. But I do have that, you know,

[00:41:19] Bianca-Jaye

at least it’s come from come from mum so

[00:41:23] Josh

well there you go. I misspoke,  she’s an expert.

[00:41:25] Bianca-Jaye

She is an expert. She is an expert on neurodiversity,

[00:41:28] Bianca-Jaye

but she’s an expert in terms I guess of living it and not researching it.

[00:41:33] Josh

So your mum sounds like a very interesting character. Obviously at the start we said that you’re proud

[00:41:40] Josh

a Gunditjmara woman and but you’ve, you know,

[00:41:45] Josh

kind of lived in Melbourne your whole life and can you just tell us

[00:41:48] Josh

a bit about where Gunditjmara country is and,  and your mum and that kind of stuff.

[00:41:53] Bianca-Jaye

Yeah. No problems like in dejima,  our country is pretty much between Portland and Warrnambool. So my

[00:42:02] Bianca-Jaye

biological grandfather was born on country and grew up in one of the missions down

[00:42:07] Bianca-Jaye

there. And due to the time and,

[00:42:12] Bianca-Jaye

and everything else that was going on. So my mum was put up for adoption in nineteen seventy one,

[00:42:18] Bianca-Jaye

which then led to us having this massive gap in family history,

[00:42:21] Bianca-Jaye

which is all too common with Aboriginal families and trying to find those

[00:42:25] Bianca-Jaye

connections. And again, it wasn’t till mom was really,

[00:42:30] Bianca-Jaye

I guess at University where we got to get these connections and then people knowing

[00:42:34] Bianca-Jaye

family that traces back to country. And you know,

[00:42:38] Bianca-Jaye

we’re still trying to fill in some gaps with all of this. But you know,

[00:42:43] Bianca-Jaye

we’re very proud of our culture and our heritage and yeah,

[00:42:48] Bianca-Jaye

that’s pretty much yes. So trying to find the gaps. But yeah,  in terms of my mum’s psychology degree,

[00:42:54] Bianca-Jaye

she now works for the Australian Bureau of statistics for the status as

[00:42:56] Bianca-Jaye

a statistician. Yeah, and all well doing it with a diagnosis of ADHD.

[00:43:03] Josh

Hmm. So you, that must be,  you know,  hard for her and you of course,

[00:43:08] Josh

the family with trying to fill in gaps and you know,

[00:43:10] Josh

you can’t just ring up someone and say, hey, what happened to uncle so-and-so?  You know,

[00:43:18] Josh

you don’t have that access. Is it been hard for the two of you and you know,

[00:43:22] Josh

anyone else for that matter to kind of connect with the culture or is that not been the hard part

[00:43:28] Bianca-Jaye

and all this is going well into it?

[00:43:30] Bianca-Jaye

So for me growing up, it was something that I was very much ashamed of. You know,

[00:43:36] Bianca-Jaye

I was in primary school in the late nineties, early two-thousands where, you know,

[00:43:40] Bianca-Jaye

there wasn’t this, there’s this stigma,  we’re still Majorly attached to Aboriginal Australians and especially myself being

[00:43:48] Bianca-Jaye

a white Aboriginal Australian. All of that. Well,  you don’t look Aboriginal. How do you know?

[00:43:53] Bianca-Jaye

So I often hid it and we tried to involve culture as much as we could,

[00:43:58] Bianca-Jaye

but it took me to coming to my own journey. And for me to be willing to accept my

[00:44:03] Bianca-Jaye

culture and then find my own path and own journey which her I fit as an Aboriginal

[00:44:08] Bianca-Jaye

Australian. And so again,  my story is very similar to mums going into university. And through the MTC sent to

[00:44:16] Bianca-Jaye

there,  which is the indigenous centre finding people that were like me in this setting.

[00:44:21] Bianca-Jaye

And I was like, you know,

[00:44:22] Bianca-Jaye

I’m not alone. So those feelings I had of is lost connection and we might not know blood family

[00:44:29] Bianca-Jaye

a lot. But what we do is we creating our own family and our own mob for the people

[00:44:33] Bianca-Jaye

we surround ourselves with. And through that I am finding more people, you know,

[00:44:38] Bianca-Jaye

that are Gunditjmara. And it’s just, you know, expanding and really,

[00:44:44] Bianca-Jaye

really nice to have that part of my culture now. And, you know,

[00:44:47] Bianca-Jaye

I now I get involved with, you know,

[00:44:49] Bianca-Jaye

Indigenous Uni Games and I play school and do all these on country development

[00:44:54] Bianca-Jaye

programs and leadership programs as being Aboriginal Australian. And it’s really

[00:44:58] Bianca-Jaye

awesome to come into my own culture. I just wish that I could have told myself back

[00:45:03] Bianca-Jaye

then that you know, that was absolutely nothing to be ashamed of,  but look at where we are now. So

[00:45:08] Josh

yeah, yeah,  that’s awesome. To hear that you’ve been able to find those connections and

[00:45:15] Josh

overcome that because that is Such

[00:45:16] Josh

a hard thing. Once you’ve got something that’s been ingrained in you and that shame,

[00:45:20] Josh

as you said, it can be really hard to kind of fight against that. So that’s,

[00:45:24] Josh

that’s really amazing to hear.

[00:45:26] Bianca-Jaye

Awesome,  thank you.

[00:45:29] Josh

I just want to before we wrap up,

[00:45:30] Josh

I do have two last quick questions for you if that’s okay. Yep. So the first one is

[00:45:35] Josh

from spirit soup out there. And have given me a question to ask you directly. And so you know,

[00:45:42] Josh

I feel like you’ve been well supported in your journey in terms of,

[00:45:49] Josh

with the Venture carpet and that kind of stuff. But you can answer this in, in

[00:45:54] Josh

a different way if you prefer.

[00:45:55] Josh

So the question is,

[00:45:57] Josh

do you feel that being young helps or hinders creating change?

[00:46:04] Bianca-Jaye

Oh, good question. I say, I don’t consider myself as young,

[00:46:07] Bianca-Jaye

even though I’ve just ten said yeah, it was like I’ve got, you know,

[00:46:13] Bianca-Jaye

I think it does. Although I was the way I was raised. I was always told that there

[00:46:18] Bianca-Jaye

is no age limit to education. Sorry,

[00:46:22] Bianca-Jaye

and I’ve always kept that in mind and doing everything like this that you know,

[00:46:26] Bianca-Jaye

being young young is great because I have time to work on it. But also I feel like

[00:46:31] Bianca-Jaye

if I was younger,  then I wouldn’t have the life experience life skills that I’ve had. So it’s

[00:46:38] Bianca-Jaye

a really tough question where I sit on that, but I do think, you know,

[00:46:43] Bianca-Jaye

being young and coming through with the likes of new technologies being developed

[00:46:49] Bianca-Jaye

and everything like that obviously has a benefit.

[00:46:53] Josh

Yeah, good one.  Well,  onto my last question now. And you know,

[00:46:59] Josh

this is the inspirational australian’s podcast. And so we have inspirational,

[00:47:03] Josh

people that come on. And I’ve been inspired by your journey and your story,

[00:47:08] Josh

you know, the way that you’ve taken a personal experience and a person,  you know the person,

[00:47:14] Josh

your friend’s brother that you know and your own family and using that experience

[00:47:19] Josh

of neurodiverse people to like propel you into this Incredible research and really

[00:47:26] Josh

this is why you were a finalist in a career change award because you’re making,

[00:47:29] Josh

you know, and I know it’s ongoing,

[00:47:30] Josh

but you’re making huge change. Such positive change for people. So I’m been really inspired by you, but Bianca,

[00:47:37] Josh

I want to know what or who is it that inspires you

[00:47:42] Bianca-Jaye

or I’m definitely going to have

[00:47:43] Bianca-Jaye

to say, my mom is definitely a big inspiration to me and watching you know,

[00:47:47] Bianca-Jaye

everything that she’s done and being there beside her, you know,  awesome education starting Uni. I like my mom,

[00:47:55] Bianca-Jaye

my mom used to take me to university with her

[00:47:57] Bianca-Jaye

a my first psychology class. I was ten years old, you know,

[00:48:00] Bianca-Jaye

sitting taking notes because she couldn’t find anyone to look after me. And then as well, Yeah, going with Matthew,

[00:48:06] Bianca-Jaye

Matthew is an absolute inspiration to me cause the struggles that he faces every

[00:48:10] Bianca-Jaye

day is something that I could never,

[00:48:12] Bianca-Jaye

never imagine. And he’s someone that’s so happy pretty much all the time. Unless he

[00:48:18] Bianca-Jaye

gets overwhelmed, it becomes too much, but he just, he’s one of the most honest,

[00:48:23] Bianca-Jaye

happy, most loving people I’ve ever met. So he truly inspires me, you know,

[00:48:29] Bianca-Jaye

to keep going and to keep pushing in this field because there’s so much that we

[00:48:32] Bianca-Jaye

still need to know and understand. So he’s going to,

[00:48:35] Bianca-Jaye

as long as he’s there to help me along the way,

[00:48:37] Bianca-Jaye

which I’m sure he’ll whinge and complain that you know, you know, is that,

[00:48:41] Bianca-Jaye

you know, is it, you know, I do this and he does have that comprehension that,

[00:48:45] Bianca-Jaye

you know, I’ve done this because of you. So yeah,  I mean with me the whole way.

[00:48:51] Josh

That’s brilliant. Well, Bianca,  thanks so much for taking the time to join us today. On the inspirational strains

[00:48:57] Josh

podcast and I can’t wait to follow your journey and see what’s happening with you

[00:49:02] Josh

know, your developments. And hopefully, you know, in

[00:49:06] Josh

a few short years we’ll be able to come back and check in with you and,

[00:49:10] Josh

and talk about how your product is available at chemist warehouse.

[00:49:14] Bianca-Jaye

That sounds absolutely amazing. Josh.

[00:49:17] Josh

Thank you, Bianca.

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