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Fostering a grassroots community club whilst delivering elite programs at Hub Gymnastics

In this week’s episode, Geoff chats with Kate Howard & Emma Murray from Hub Gymnastics, winners of the 2022 Woolworths Community Group of the Year Award at the South Australian Community Achievement Awards.

Hub Gymnastics Club was established in 1985 by a group of volunteers to run a recreation gymnastics program. The Club has since embarked on delivering new programs for the community, allowing families access to professionally run classes with highly skilled coaches. They also offer school holiday gymnastics, after-school, and in-lesson gymnastics programs. Hub Gymnastics continues to increase participation of girls and boys from the age of 1 and now has around 750 members, with about 350 children on waitlist! The Club prides itself on being an inclusive and welcoming family-based Club that provides high quality programs.

Kate and Emma also talk about the way Hub Gymnastics achieves sustainability as a community club, by valuing the development and progression of athletes, who may have grown up at the club, to highly skilled coaches that can now remain active within both the club and the sport.

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This week’s podcast guests are Kate Howard. And Emma Murray representing the

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volunteers of the mighty Hub Gymnastics club. They were the winner of the twenty

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twenty two Woolworths Community Group of the Year Award. And the award was

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presented as part of the annual state’s Community Achievement Awards. Kate and Emma.

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Welcome to the inspirational australian’s podcast and hello to all of our

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listeners. I hope you all gain some inspiration from today’s chat. Welcome Kate.  Welcome. Emma.

[00:01:34] Emma & Kate

Thank you. Thanks for having us.

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Good to have you on board and congratulations on all we do at hub gymnastics. It’s such a great program,

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which is obviously why you were recognized with your award last year. I’m sure over

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the over the years there have been thousands and thousands who have come together and really got

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a lot of joy from the programs and competitions that you run. Now I only had boys

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myself. So I’m not real familiar with gymnastics,  which I am sure come out in the wash as we have

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a chat. So feel free to enlighten me. And of Course,

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anywhere other listeners who have only had boys as well about

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a little bit more detail about gymnastics. So how and when did the idea come about

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and who was a part of the creation of Hubbard in gymnastics, in the beginning?

[00:02:34] Emma & Kate

Very much before the height of my sales time with the club and sorry

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back in nineteen eighty five I believe. And

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a group of volunteers was sort of approached, I think, at the time,

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actually approached by the YMCA and I’m sure someone has been

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a factual check of this. And that approached by the YMCA a gentleman,  Gordon Sykes,

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and effectively began the club. And it started at the hub and recreation centre and fairly quickly,

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I believe they Amalgamated with the YMCA that run the centre at the time. Obviously

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they provided the equipment and the space,

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and then it just kind of grew from there. So obviously parents came on board to

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help coach and, you know,  people were on board volunteering and then the programme just grew and grew from there.

[00:03:27] Geoff

Often does comes from a great idea. But you need people who are passionate about the whole thing to

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get it going.

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But I think the proof is in the pudding for a success,

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for the longevity of any programme comes down to finding new people to be involved,

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getting them enthusiastic and being part of the journey. So back to those

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original days where was hub gymnastics initially located

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A recreation centre. And I believe we did this for a number of years. Emma can confirm that I’m not

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a hundred percent. Sure. How many years music it was?  Well, before my time, Emma, did you want to expand?

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Because I think you know more about that than me.

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Yes,  I think the original hub recreation centre was a third state government,

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a third YMCA and a third hub high School,

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I believe was the funding arrangement. So we were there for a period of time,  basically,

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till I think about two thousand and thirteen. And we were with the YMCA for quite

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a period of time there. And we did obviously,

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at some point break away from the YMCA and we obviously offer Competition streams.

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And it wasn’t quite aligned with what they sort of offered the package. And they no

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longer had the management rights to the facility we were in. And so it just kind of

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made sense from that point to incorporate on our own. And obviously,

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that allowed us to sort of take a little bit more direction around, you know,

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the service that we provide, and why it might be different to a standard YMCA kind of program.

[00:05:15] Geoff

I’m so there were plenty of benefits of the

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initial amalgamation with the YMCA in terms of the growth of the organisation.

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Is that why the initial amalgamation started or happened?

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Yeah, I think so. I mean,

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that’s certainly very much before our time. I think it may have even been the YMCA

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idea for a gymnastic centre in that space,  and I know that they offered the space,

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I think they offered some equipment. And so I think it was very much

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a them idea. And I believe they obviously helped with some of the financial kind of

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side to running a gymnastics club. So certainly early days.

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Sounds like a win win in the initial stages. Yeah, yeah. So since that initial partnership,

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I guess there’ve been a few changes. I’d say that there have been

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a few changes in center management over the time and locations for the club. Can you tell us

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a bit more about the history from the two thousand and thirty thirteen period where you parted ways with YMCA?

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Yes, sorry. The YMCA had lost the center management contract, I think

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a few years earlier. And the facility we were in was put out for tender. Another

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management and Company were awarded the contract and it just wasn’t tenable for us

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to remain in that facility. And so we sort of I think it kind of happened fairly

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similar where we had decided to infill away from the one side. They were actually

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fairly supportive of that process. I think.

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And sort of, you know,

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understanding that we probably had different directions that we sort of saw,

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the club going and they weren’t really able to help us facilitate some of that

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space moving forwards. And then we needed to find

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a new facility. Obviously that meant we moved out of the city of onkaparinga,

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so we did move to the city of Marion for a period of time and into

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a whole that was sort of available. It did allow us to have

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a more permanent set up still not full time at that point, but

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a more permanent set up. And it did also allow us to expand on hours offered. And

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so because obviously we were sharing

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a facility that had school usage. And we were limited on the available hours that

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we had access. And when we moved to the city of Marion,

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we were able to increase those hours and therefore,

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obviously increase the volume of athletes we can get through the door. And then

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when we made the move back to the city of ringer and now into

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a permanent home. And so the hill recreation centre,  which has now been renamed the Pomona recreation centre,

[00:07:58] Emma & Kate

which is amazing. And when we moved back into the pool, my recreation center,

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we now have full time usage. So we do share with an active over fifty group one day

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a week. They have about five hours access. But outside of that we have full time

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access. So that was kind of, as we grew, we kind of needed to be in

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a facility that would support the access and now we have programs not quite all day

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every day, but getting pretty close. So I

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know historically Kate,  you must have your equipment would have had to I imagine have been packed away and

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then re set up each time you used it.

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Yeah,  so when we were in the city of Marion,  we used to have set up happening on

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a Saturday morning. I think we did set up.

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I think we did. We had pat down numerous times a week and the equipment was all stored actually on

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a stage in that facility. So there was a lot of

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a lot of volunteer work behind the scenes to make sure that the gym was set up

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ready to go. When we needed it, I remember when my daughter first started,

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we were always on Saturday set up because she was one of the first groups in as

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a little tacker. So I and that was, that was where my involvement came from,

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primarily with the set up being a parent. And you know, mopping floors on

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a Thursday night to get rid of all the chalk and all that sort of stuff associated

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with gymnastics. So we still have an element of pick up and sit down etc.

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in the current facility because we have got that active group in there.

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currently we still pack down on a Thursday night and then sit up again on

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a Saturday morning. So yeah, it’s much less than it used to be,  which is great.

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So how many times would you have had to have packed down and set up in the other order?

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Previously in summary, railway occasions

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every day, in fact,  in the

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location we set up every every day and we just didn’t have the same.

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You couldn’t have the same equipment, you know, a full gymnastics floor,

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either ten person to our job to set up. So we didn’t,  we didn’t have that equipment,

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we had very minimal trampolines. We didn’t have any of the,  the stuff we have now. So we do have

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a small set up now of one particular space. But we do have

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a lot of our equipment that remains set up so that we can have access to sort of

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bigger, safer, better equipment.

[00:10:40] Geoff

That’s pretty

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fun. It was a mission. It was definitely all hands on deck like every year

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and to all of our listeners, we put our hands together for all volunteers. It’s we,

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it’s hard to imagine where we would be without the volunteers in any organization club or sports organization that

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make them function.  And the more volunteers the better, more active, the better involved, they are,

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the better the organizations can run. Kudos to you both to all of your team and

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shout out to hub gymnastics, club, volunteers,  and every other organization that functions that way. Kudos and hub

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gymnastics is also a story of resilience, isn’t it?

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How you’ve grown. You’ve had to undertake and undergo change of management.

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partnership’s been used as you say, the set up and tracked down on

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a regular basis. It’s just a story of resilience and, and belief in a vision and the purpose,

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I guess which for your community benefit. So and the same for anybody out there who

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is involved similarly big Kudos and shadow. And I say congratulations on your resilience. How many volunteers are there on?

[00:12:09] Geoff

I presume you have a committee. How many people on your committee and how many volunteers do you have?

[00:12:18] Emma & Kate

So currently on that committee we have, I think we have

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a committee of nine. We generally try and keep an odd number. So that if we have to

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split the vote on something,  it’s generally easily split.

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And primarily, the majority,

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vast majority of us are parents of gymnasts at various stages in their

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careers. I’m still on the committee to support my job. No longer actively

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participating as a gymnast. She’s still a coach and is still involved in the club,  but yes, it’s primarily

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a lot of parents. The vast majority of us are mums on that committee, being

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a ninety four percent female sport. Often it’s the mums who do the committee work

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on the dads, do the sit up with the heavy equipment etc..

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And in terms of the volunteer advice. You know,

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we’ve got over eight hundred members in our club.

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So voluntary advice is it’s huge.

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But some, some of those people might only volunteer once a year. Some might be that week in week out,

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so I don’t think we could actively put a number on our volunteers. You know, realistically we’ve got

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a cool group of volunteers that was there and always willing to lend

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a hand. And then there’s other people who come in twice

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a year when they can. And we absolutely appreciate anyone who’s willing to come and

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help us out if we produce twice a year is no problem.  I really think

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it’s nice to see sort of the next generation

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of volunteers. So obviously a lot of our junior athletes are coaches. So you know,

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they get their first employment with us. You know, they might work three, four,

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five hours a week. And for example,

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this weekend we are hosting. So at that second day with our inaugural last year.

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But we’re hosting a inter-club Competition for the southern area,

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some little level ones and twos.

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And even just the amount of help that the junior

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coaches who are paid staff,

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but they just want to come in and volunteer to run the session. And you know,

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they’re going to serve food. They’re going to help with a little craft activity we’ve got for the kids,

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and they just want to get involved and they’re happy to donate this Sunday and to

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display how good our club is. They love hearing feedback from, you know,

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parents from other clubs about how amazing the Competition was. Last year,

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the girls talked about it for months afterwards. How,

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how good the feedback was. They were getting from people from other clubs. And so

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like the next generation of volunteers as well, like yes,

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they hold paid employment and that’s really important to them. Obviously they’ve

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got mobile phones and bills to pay and, but they still are willing to participate,

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donate their time, you know, go above and beyond,  which is really cool when they’re, you know,

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fourteen and fifteen and there’s so many things that might be more important to them

[00:15:23] Geoff

Yeah,  hundred percent getting young people involved in any form of volunteering or

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similar is really critical. So there are so many pressures and challenges in life

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in people these days. And of Course everybody. So volunteers are critical and

[00:15:41] Geoff

getting new people on board is, as you say,  really exciting and invaluable. So how do you get your funding?

[00:15:48] Geoff

Where’s your funding come from now to pay for coaches and the likes?

[00:15:54] Emma & Kate

Well, you are talking to Kate who’s our treasurer,

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so I’m happy to let her is the money lady.

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I know when I have to ask for a dollar,  could we take it to here?

[00:16:06] Geoff

That might be a good, good time, Kate,  when you make people big.

[00:16:10] Emma & Kate

Absolutely. The in all honesty, we have,  the majority of our funding comes from ATM fees that we charge our

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families. We have various different strains of gymnastics with various different

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term costs associated with them. And we are one of the cheapest clubs in Adelaide

[00:16:33] Emma & Kate

as far as I’m aware. I haven’t done the numbers recently,  but we

[00:16:36] Geoff

have one of the best costs.

[00:16:38] Emma & Kate

Absolutely,  we’re not going to shy away from that fact. So primarily that

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a lot of it comes from our base. We do do

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a lot of fundraising over and above that because we do need to replace equipment,  gymnastics,

[00:16:54] Emma & Kate

equipment when it gets tired and all unfortunately it can become on site. So there

[00:16:59] Emma & Kate

is that work safety issue there as well. So we do fundraising through the

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fundraising committee and the support of our parents and being a large club,  we can, you know, get

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a lot of resources out there to do that fundraising. And every now and again,

[00:17:20] Emma & Kate

we might get a grant or two for equipment purchases or any upgrades.

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the funding for our building project is

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a totally different story which Emma can share more on with that. There is

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significant funding there from various government sources,

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but primarily it’s from our families in paying the space and the fundraising that we do. So

[00:17:46] Emma & Kate

I think we probably have a slightly unique fee structure then a few other clubs,

[00:17:52] Emma & Kate

so we’ve tequila our Competition program. And it was really important for us

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designing the face structure to sort of reward loyalty,

[00:18:02] Emma & Kate

time spent with the club. So the more hours you train and the higher level,

[00:18:08] Emma & Kate

your athlete is, the less you actually pay per hour. So effectively,

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by the time an athlete had sort of been with us

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for five, six, seven, eight years,  the phase have kind of whilst you might be paying more because they’re doing

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significantly more hours. It’s actually a,  a lower fee per hour. So it does really reward the,

[00:18:28] Emma & Kate

the value that we’ve got from those families. You know,  by the time your athlete is fifteen or sixteen,

[00:18:32] Emma & Kate

your parent has helped out at numerous volunteer things you’ve been involved in fundraising. You’ve traveled as

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a team to different interstate competitions or whatever it is we thought of. Yeah,

[00:18:43] Emma & Kate

that fee structure is designed to sort of reward reward those families and the loyalty for,

[00:18:48] Emma & Kate

for being with us for that period of time.

[00:18:50] Geoff

It’s great idea. I love that.

[00:18:52] Geoff

They call

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does the same apply for multiple children in one family. So if you’ve got three

[00:19:00] Emma & Kate

kids. Yeah, there is

[00:19:01] Emma & Kate

a sibling discount for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And we will try and do things to sort of

[00:19:06] Emma & Kate

assist with families. You know, if you’ve got kids in multiple programs,

[00:19:10] Emma & Kate

if there’s a recreation program that works on a day better, you know,

[00:19:13] Emma & Kate

we’ll do things logically to sort of support families because we do have

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a few families where we might have all three of their kids. I don’t know if we’ve

[00:19:20] Emma & Kate

got all four of anyone’s kids at the moment, but I think we’ve got two or three of

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a few families. So you know, there’s some parents that need a permanent chair and

[00:19:27] Emma & Kate

a lawyer at the moment. So we do try and make things as easy as possible for those families.

[00:19:33] Emma & Kate

Yeah, and there’s,  there’s also those families where obviously we are primarily female dominated sport.

[00:19:40] Emma & Kate

But since we’ve started at boys program, you know this

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a few brothers coming into the fold. So it’s not necessarily just three female siblings. And so that’s opened up

[00:19:52] Emma & Kate

a whole nother avenue for our families as well where, you know,

[00:19:56] Emma & Kate

one child might be able to participate, but we didn’t have

[00:19:59] Emma & Kate

a boys program and so the Brother missed out. So we have opened up that as well,

[00:20:03] Emma & Kate

which is expanded at programs and most importantly we would never do

[00:20:10] Emma & Kate

a boys program. Here we are and you know, it’s actually, there was

[00:20:15] Emma & Kate

a demand for it as well. So we,

[00:20:19] Emma & Kate

we took that on and it is actually progressing really, really well at this stage,  which is good.

[00:20:25] Geoff

Yeah. Brilliant. So again,  excuse my ignorance.

[00:20:29] Geoff

I imagine every child has

[00:20:32] Geoff

a varying degree of flexibility or capability, or, or enjoyment from,  from gymnastics. How different can the boys programme be

[00:20:45] Geoff

from a girls program?  Do they have separate coaches or are they all pulled together dependent and based on their

[00:20:53] Emma & Kate

I look at and say, if you look at Competition programs,

[00:20:57] Emma & Kate

boys and Girls have different equipment. And so obviously our Competition programs,

[00:21:02] Emma & Kate

they do have different coaches. Some of our coaches do grow and coach across

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multiple programs because obviously there are particular elements that are the same.

[00:21:11] Emma & Kate

And a lot of the, the teaching aspect of controlling

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a class and listening skills and all of those things are kind of the same across

[00:21:20] Emma & Kate

programs and, and some of the equipment is the same. But no, we do have,

[00:21:24] Emma & Kate

have different program. And even without within our recreation string now where the

[00:21:28] Emma & Kate

Boys and Girls are together up. And because the demand has been sort of growing for a boys program,

[00:21:35] Emma & Kate

we do occasionally have groups within that class where the boys are all together.

[00:21:39] Emma & Kate

If we’ve got enough boys in that class to do that,

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and then they get to go on different equipment and it’s

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a little bit easier. But then we do have some programs for the Boys and Girls and

[00:21:47] Emma & Kate

together and it doesn’t make any difference.

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[00:21:50] Emma & Kate

I think the thing with gymnastics is because it is an individual sport. It’s really

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up to the coach to be able to have, you know, six or seven children within

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a class and make sure that they’re all participating at the appropriate level for

[00:22:03] Emma & Kate

them and being challenged for them. But you might have kids have a quite

[00:22:06] Emma & Kate

a varied ability within that class. And we do also have fairly low

[00:22:13] Emma & Kate

coach to athlete ratio is probably much lower than other programs.  You know, obviously from a feasibility standpoint, you know,

[00:22:23] Emma & Kate

you need to work out and that’s like comes in about where,

[00:22:26] Emma & Kate

where are absolute minimums sort of are in that space. But we do have fairly low

[00:22:31] Emma & Kate

athlete to Coach ratios so that athletes can, you know,

[00:22:35] Emma & Kate

they’re being coached sufficiently and able to be sort of challenged sufficiently.

[00:22:39] Emma & Kate

You wouldn’t have one coach with twenty kids. You know, especially in a junior program like

[00:22:44] Emma & Kate

a recreation program where obviously the kids are still fairly new to gymnastics,  the skills,

[00:22:51] Emma & Kate

still working out body control and strength and those sorts of things.

[00:22:55] Geoff

Awesome. So can you tell me again for those who are not conversant with gymnastics,

[00:23:02] Geoff

you mentioned just then about programs more for beginners. So there’d be more

[00:23:09] Geoff

in principal basic introduction type classes than I imagine. Like martial arts,

[00:23:17] Geoff

you would progress through the levels of skill and ability or and

[00:23:24] Geoff

I imagine do you go to specific types of courses that are more appropriate for our specialist apparatus,

[00:23:34] Geoff

whatever. Now I have no idea what I’m talking about.

[00:23:37] Emma & Kate

Can you doing a pretty good job

[00:23:39] Geoff

through the various types of

[00:23:41] Emma & Kate

yes,  sorry. I mean if we stop right at the start,  we have killed the gym.

[00:23:46] Emma & Kate

So can the gym,

[00:23:48] Emma & Kate

you can be nine months old. You can be crawling around just sort of standing up and

[00:23:52] Emma & Kate

in the gym we do from sort of infant to I think it’s about two. And then you would

[00:23:59] Emma & Kate

go into a Mini gym. Sorry. Still very small. The kids are sort of two and

[00:24:05] Emma & Kate

a half to three and a half. You’re starting to have some sort of instruction. And parents are

[00:24:11] Emma & Kate

a little bit less involved than we’ve got with kids. Which are that is that funny.

[00:24:15] Emma & Kate

It’s like the three and a half to four and

[00:24:17] Emma & Kate

a half.

[00:24:18] Emma & Kate

And so very low numbers in those programs coach ratio because obviously we

[00:24:22] Emma & Kate

were still working on not listening skills at that point. And

[00:24:27] Geoff

that’s where I belong in a bit.

[00:24:30] Emma & Kate

Yeah, I think that’s the program,  the coaches get most tired coaching because that once yeah,

[00:24:34] Emma & Kate

we go along with kids and you can kind of imagine what and then you would move to

[00:24:38] Emma & Kate

a recreation program. So recreation program we do from about four to I think we’ve

[00:24:44] Emma & Kate

got fourteen year old athletes in those sorts of programs and that’s an hour

[00:24:48] Emma & Kate

a week session. And it’s really tailored on, you know,

[00:24:52] Emma & Kate

you can be an absolute beginner at this. We’ve got kids that have been with us two

[00:24:55] Emma & Kate

years and nice progress. Individual groups are kind of an age and

[00:25:02] Emma & Kate

skill based, sorry. We designed the program so that you know, you’re with a group of appropriate aged athletes,

[00:25:09] Emma & Kate

but also appropriate level. And we have our own skills matrix that we’ve developed.  So

[00:25:14] Emma & Kate

a coach and resource that the coaches work from. And to sort of ensure that the kids,

[00:25:19] Emma & Kate

the earning are learning skills evenly across like a banding. And then, you know,

[00:25:24] Emma & Kate

if kids need to move up into groups throughout that recreation program,

[00:25:27] Emma & Kate

they would. And then getting into look on invitation program is invite only we

[00:25:33] Emma & Kate

obviously would love to have thousands of athletes in Competition programs,

[00:25:38] Emma & Kate

but we simply don’t have the size of the resources. So it is invite only,

[00:25:43] Emma & Kate

so we ever do. We normally do a trial sort of once a year and we’ll do

[00:25:48] Emma & Kate

a trial towards the end of next month,

[00:25:51] Emma & Kate

I think. And that will be our next batch of Wimbledon slate. So that’s the name for

[00:25:56] Emma & Kate

the first year. Competition athletes?  Honestly, I, I’m not quite sure why or how I was

[00:26:03] Emma & Kate

a flea like twenty twenty something years ago. I

[00:26:08] Geoff

don’t know secrets.

[00:26:10] Emma & Kate

And I just, I don’t know why they call plays

[00:26:13] Emma & Kate

, but the names just stuck, so we do a trial for a new slave squad. Every,

[00:26:18] Emma & Kate

every twelve months or so. And then we do occasionally type kids into squads.

[00:26:22] Emma & Kate


[00:26:22] Emma & Kate

we’ve got spies or, you know,  transfers from other clubs as well. And the Competition programs are invite only

[00:26:29] Emma & Kate

there. And then we have a few extra classes. So we have an aerobics program which is like

[00:26:33] Emma & Kate

a dance based gymnastics program so that it’s got its own recreation stream and its

[00:26:38] Emma & Kate

own Competition stream. And we have an accurate class which is like

[00:26:42] Emma & Kate

a tumbling class. So we’ve got kids from different recreation programs,

[00:26:45] Emma & Kate

kids per program doing it. And even like, you know,

[00:26:48] Emma & Kate

dances who just want to safely learn tricks that it might not be appropriate for

[00:26:52] Emma & Kate

them to be watching YouTube and Learning at home. So we’ve got

[00:26:55] Emma & Kate

a few people that have enrolled because they would like to be taught by someone who

[00:26:58] Emma & Kate

is qualified and capable to teach those sort of things in

[00:27:01] Emma & Kate

a safer environment as well. So we kind of have something for everyone,

[00:27:06] Emma & Kate

hence the need for the expansion because the waitlist is getting longer. And we

[00:27:11] Emma & Kate

just, you know, we ran out of space really. And

[00:27:16] Geoff

so too, while we’re on the subject,  tell me about the expansion because I know you’ve got

[00:27:20] Geoff

a lot of exciting stuff going on and planned. So I might come back to

[00:27:25] Geoff

a few other questions I have, but tell us about that. What’s going on?

[00:27:31] Emma & Kate

Yeah, so exciting and or terrifying. Depends on the day of the week,

[00:27:34] Emma & Kate

I think to ask yeah, I mean, maybe a year and a half ago now,

[00:27:41] Emma & Kate

two years ago I think some of my father had just sort of passed away. And after

[00:27:46] Emma & Kate

a fairly long battle with Cancer, the council came to us and said, look,

[00:27:52] Emma & Kate

we want to honour your father in a way, what do you and the family want to do?

[00:27:56] Emma & Kate

And the idea was presented for the name change of the building. And we thought

[00:28:01] Emma & Kate

that’s amazing, like dad would be so proud, you know, he never likes to show off,

[00:28:06] Emma & Kate

but he would have been secretly pretty, pretty pleased that

[00:28:09] Emma & Kate

a building was named after him. And then, you know, it kind of,

[00:28:14] Emma & Kate

I was sitting there thinking okay, like, you know,

[00:28:16] Emma & Kate

dad had all these plans written down for things he wanted to do for the club. Like,  you know,

[00:28:21] Emma & Kate

he saw what was kind of next. And mum’s actually given me some beautiful things

[00:28:25] Emma & Kate

that he’d written down in his plans and things that he was doing. And I’ve been

[00:28:29] Emma & Kate

able to take all of that stuff that we’ve sort of achieved since and, but we,

[00:28:33] Emma & Kate

we knew we needed to sort of look at what,

[00:28:36] Emma & Kate

how we were going to expand. And we sat down and thought, okay,

[00:28:39] Emma & Kate

we really want to keep the gym space full time. Sorry. We want to be added to the

[00:28:44] Emma & Kate

gym on the weekends. The dads to come along to we, you know,

[00:28:48] Emma & Kate

we want to be able to use the Friday.

[00:28:50] Emma & Kate

And so I said, Kate,

[00:28:52] Emma & Kate

please may I have some money and she let me have

[00:28:55] Emma & Kate

a little bit of money and I got some plans drawn up for

[00:28:58] Emma & Kate

a separate kind of gym space. I got some cost consulting done. Did all of this took

[00:29:05] Emma & Kate

it to council and said, can I have my land donor’s consent?

[00:29:08] Emma & Kate

And they said yeah, and I was going to submit to like

[00:29:11] Emma & Kate

a grassroots sports grant. And then it kind of all got a bit murky for

[00:29:15] Emma & Kate

a bit there. And we sought some external advice around why wasn’t being supported

[00:29:20] Emma & Kate

and we got to learn about building life. And obviously, if we touched a building,

[00:29:27] Emma & Kate

which is not had much love since the original building in,

[00:29:31] Emma & Kate

I don’t know sixty years ago maybe fifty years ago. It’s not really had much love

[00:29:36] Emma & Kate

and we would obviously need to upgrade our building to building code and that

[00:29:40] Emma & Kate

wasn’t something council had budgeted for. So it became apparent that we weren’t

[00:29:45] Emma & Kate

going to be able to do that. That little extension we wanted to do. And it was kind

[00:29:49] Emma & Kate

of an all or nothing. And I guess I being a female marrying a fellow redhead was like, well,

[00:29:58] Emma & Kate

I really like the word no. So I guess we’re doing this whole building. So then I

[00:30:03] Emma & Kate

said, hey, can I have some more money?  Because now any plans for the whole building and

[00:30:09] Emma & Kate

got our plans drawn up for the

[00:30:11] Emma & Kate

whole building and then it just timed quite nicely with an election coming up that

[00:30:14] Emma & Kate

I just started going to politicians and saying this is what I want to do. We’ve got

[00:30:19] Emma & Kate

eight hundred athletes, so we’re bigger than anyone else. And you know,  where female sport we’re female led,

[00:30:24] Emma & Kate

we’ve got three hundred females on the waitlist who can’t get even in the door. So

[00:30:30] Emma & Kate

what about you fund us?

[00:30:33] Emma & Kate

And then we, it worked well. I mean, there was definitely time where I was like,  how is this working?

[00:30:41] Emma & Kate

But we just advocated we did stand up. We, you know, and we did look as a club,

[00:30:48] Emma & Kate

we did probably make close to fifty eight thousand dollars worth of actual work

[00:30:54] Emma & Kate

ourselves in terms of, well, no, not actually with ourselves in terms of XS, sorry,

[00:30:59] Emma & Kate

you know, we had an architectural plan. I had a fully cost consultant, you know,

[00:31:03] Emma & Kate

so it made it easy for politicians to support it because I was handing it to you to

[00:31:07] Emma & Kate

want to play going. Here it is here. It’s all done like, you know,

[00:31:10] Emma & Kate

this is what your contribution will will buy. You so we,  we ended up with matching election, promises,

[00:31:18] Emma & Kate

labor and liberal. We’re very lucky that.

[00:31:22] Emma & Kate

And politicians that have been

[00:31:24] Emma & Kate

supportive to us have really been supportive to us irrespective of political alliance. We have been very,

[00:31:31] Emma & Kate

very lucky in that space. So we’ve had some really strong advocates who effectively have worked together

[00:31:36] Emma & Kate

a lot of the time because they’ve been massive supporters. And we then had the,

[00:31:42] Emma & Kate

we got a contribution from the state government in the election. We got

[00:31:47] Emma & Kate

a promise that was not an election commitment centrally. So that was

[00:31:52] Emma & Kate

a budget commitment. And then we went to council and said right,

[00:31:56] Emma & Kate

help us up because we’ve brought you four million dollars. So could you do the rest

[00:32:01] Emma & Kate

and then yeah, we’ve been doing a well, I mean,

[00:32:05] Emma & Kate

I think it’ll end up being just under six million and but

[00:32:09] Emma & Kate

a proper expansion refurbishment of the facility. Sorry. It’s just so good for gymnastics in the whole. I mean, it’s

[00:32:17] Emma & Kate

a school that’s traditionally hideously underfunded, Whether that’s just because,

[00:32:24] Emma & Kate

yeah, well it’s purpose built and I know a lot of the way

[00:32:27] Emma & Kate

a lot of the policies are written are around like multi share facilities. And

[00:32:32] Emma & Kate

there’s a lot of policy in place to support facilities being used and underused,  which we totally understand,

[00:32:38] Emma & Kate

but we train all year round and we have different strengths. So our facilities are

[00:32:44] Emma & Kate

not underused. They’re just used very differently than your average courts or like field schools. And so

[00:32:52] Emma & Kate

a lot of the policies are just not written designed to support clubs like us. When

[00:32:56] Emma & Kate

in reality we’ve got eight hundred athletes, three hundred on the waitlist,

[00:33:00] Emma & Kate

and we use it fifty. Maybe fifty three weeks a year like we, we really break for

[00:33:05] Emma & Kate

a couple of weeks. Sorry. You know,  a lot of those policies that are designed to have clubs,

[00:33:12] Emma & Kate

multi share facility. We don’t need because we’re doing that on our own. So it was

[00:33:16] Emma & Kate

definitely some changing of mindsets as well. I think like people who traditionally

[00:33:21] Emma & Kate

wouldn’t had much idea about gymnastics. I just read

[00:33:25] Emma & Kate

a lot of business plans. I printed a lot of strategic plans and just, you know,

[00:33:29] Emma & Kate

drove my argument as to why we’ve met all of the criteria for support,

[00:33:33] Emma & Kate

even if it didn’t look like what it had looked like in the past. And eventually

[00:33:38] Emma & Kate

people just bought in and like they could say, you know,

[00:33:41] Emma & Kate

we weren’t making it up like this is what we’ve been doing. It’s maybe we weren’t

[00:33:45] Emma & Kate

shouting about it loud enough.

[00:33:47] Emma & Kate

I think also like

[00:33:49] Emma & Kate

a lot of the success of where we’ve been able to get to with this project is

[00:33:56] Emma & Kate

the volunteer hours behind the scenes are just phenomenal. Like Emma so like I, I couldn’t put

[00:34:05] Emma & Kate

a number on the amount of hours that she has spent driving these projects. You know,

[00:34:11] Emma & Kate

there has been a supportive committee,  one hundred percent behind her with this.

[00:34:17] Emma & Kate

But the volunteer aspect of it,

[00:34:20] Emma & Kate

I think has it can’t be underestimated with this sort of project. And I think also like we’re, we volunteers,

[00:34:31] Emma & Kate

we can see the benefit of what we’re doing. And we can see the outcome that it’s

[00:34:36] Emma & Kate

going to give this other area of particularly and,

[00:34:40] Emma & Kate

and it’s for the benefit of these little kids that walk through the door, you know,

[00:34:43] Emma & Kate

every day. You know, like I’m a volunteer treasurer and I’ve ended up coaching on

[00:34:49] Emma & Kate

a face. I not for an hour because my daughter coaches and I’m up on four different

[00:34:55] Emma & Kate

coaches. So I’m coaching these little kids who are not my children. I have no

[00:34:57] Emma & Kate

relation to this whatsoever other than the fact that somehow this club just exudes, you know,

[00:35:06] Emma & Kate

confidence and belief in what we’re doing. And I think that rubs off on every

[00:35:11] Emma & Kate

person who walks through the door and the number of parents that will stop you in

[00:35:15] Emma & Kate

the foyer and just compliment what we’re doing. And they can see your vision. And

[00:35:21] Emma & Kate

they’re all super excited about it. But I think realistically,  without Emma’s drawer behind this project,

[00:35:28] Emma & Kate

it might not have got off the ground. And I think say, you know,

[00:35:33] Emma & Kate

tunnel vision as well. You know, so how had those relationships with politicians?

[00:35:40] Emma & Kate

And he was, he was always the first one to go knock on someone’s door and have

[00:35:44] Emma & Kate

a chat to them about it. And if it led somewhere, great if it didn’t work,

[00:35:48] Emma & Kate

he hadn’t lost anything. And I think,

[00:35:50] Emma & Kate

I think that’s really important to remember where we’ve come from with this. And

[00:35:54] Emma & Kate

then like in the with boys at that time,

[00:35:57] Emma & Kate

you’ve got Disney volunteers coming on board. And that vision for the future and

[00:36:02] Emma & Kate

fingers crossed once we get this done, it doesn’t have to be done again for quite

[00:36:06] Emma & Kate

a long time, because the facility will be there. And

[00:36:10] Emma & Kate

whenever doing this again,

[00:36:12] Emma & Kate

that we’re not doing again, I can guarantee you that much. You know,

[00:36:15] Emma & Kate

but I just think it comes back to that notion of a volunteer. It really does. And you know,

[00:36:23] Emma & Kate

that just can’t be underestimated.

[00:36:26] Geoff


[00:36:26] Emma & Kate


[00:36:27] Geoff

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[00:36:35] Geoff

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[00:36:47] Geoff

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[00:37:00] Geoff

So what’s the age range of, of your membership?

[00:37:04] Emma & Kate

I think we’ve still got some athletes.  Nineteen twenty.  Yeah. Once the facility is renovated and expanded,

[00:37:15] Emma & Kate

I have been getting lots of elbows about an adults program,

[00:37:18] Emma & Kate

so we will do something for adults. I’ve got some retired gymnasts who are talking

[00:37:22] Emma & Kate

about maybe coming back in and training once a week. So yeah,

[00:37:26] Emma & Kate

I mean that will open up the door to sort of Be able to do some of those things.

[00:37:30] Emma & Kate

We’re investigating some stuff in the ndis space. So there’s some amazing research

[00:37:34] Emma & Kate

and programs being developed around using trampolines for kids with like muscle

[00:37:40] Emma & Kate

tone and lots of stuff in that space. So it’s just going to open up some of the

[00:37:43] Emma & Kate

doors for those sorts of things as well. We are fairly inclusive, like,

[00:37:48] Emma & Kate

I mean we’ve got plenty of children with various disability that participate in classes and with all sorts. But yeah,

[00:37:57] Emma & Kate

we’ll be able to run some sort of specialist stuff as well,

[00:38:01] Geoff

Which is fantastic to hear. I did write down

[00:38:04] Geoff

a question before given your name and Paul’s surname being the same,

[00:38:11] Geoff

I was going to ask what it was. So how did your, how did,

[00:38:15] Geoff

and sorry about the passing of your father. Cancer is

[00:38:20] Geoff

a dreadful thing. I. How did your dad get involved initially?

[00:38:26] Emma & Kate

Yeah, so I’m,  there’s three daughters. I’m the eldest. I’m sorry. Dad got involved. So

[00:38:35] Emma & Kate

he was a very, very hard worker.

[00:38:37] Emma & Kate

He worked a lot,

[00:38:38] Emma & Kate

he studied at night and Saturdays were his thing. He always joked, he wanted to be

[00:38:42] Emma & Kate

a soccer coach. He had three daughters, sorry,

[00:38:46] Emma & Kate

mum sent him off to gymnastics. So she’d done in the gym with us in the Mini gyms

[00:38:51] Emma & Kate

and all of that. And then he would take us to recreation at the hub recreation

[00:38:57] Emma & Kate

centre on a Saturday. And I think he was, I would have been there barely

[00:39:02] Emma & Kate

a few weeks before he was like, well,  if I’m going to sit down for an hour and watch,

[00:39:06] Emma & Kate

I may as well help. So off he went to the, you know,

[00:39:10] Emma & Kate

the coordinator of the programme at the time and set, do you need any help?

[00:39:13] Emma & Kate

And then he just started helping and yes, started coaching. We’ve got

[00:39:18] Emma & Kate

a few parents that start like that. You know,

[00:39:20] Emma & Kate

they’re happy to be the parent volunteer and on the floor that session. And yeah,  he started coaching,

[00:39:26] Emma & Kate

had no experience in gymnastics. He was fairly mechanically minded. And so fitter

[00:39:31] Emma & Kate

and Turner by trade and than an engineer. So I think he understood the mechanics of

[00:39:35] Emma & Kate

skills and he and he sort of grasped that rather than ever being able to do

[00:39:38] Emma & Kate

anything. I do remember him doing a very bad flip,

[00:39:42] Emma & Kate

and I must have been about ten or twelve, and yet he was jumping on a trampoline,

[00:39:46] Emma & Kate

and did a flip because he was telling the jokes, be that hard,

[00:39:49] Emma & Kate

and I don’t think he did again after that, but no, he certainly was not

[00:39:52] Emma & Kate

a gymnast himself, but yeah, just just wanted,

[00:39:55] Emma & Kate

it was always very volunteer centric and just wanted to sort of help and then got

[00:40:00] Emma & Kate

suckered in and then. Yeah,  around the same time that I would have been selected into

[00:40:04] Emma & Kate

a Competition program. He took the Competition squad and I think he coached me not

[00:40:11] Emma & Kate

for very long. That was probably never going to work and I was moved into

[00:40:14] Emma & Kate

a different squad and then he yeah,  just started coaching.

[00:40:18] Geoff

Yeah. How long have you been involved in the

[00:40:21] Emma & Kate

um yeah,  look. We’ve been getting close to three decades now. Yeah. Well,

[00:40:27] Emma & Kate


[00:40:28] Emma & Kate

Yeah,  sorry. Yeah. You go first obviously. First as an athlete.

[00:40:34] Emma & Kate

I guess

[00:40:35] Emma & Kate

I would have to say we start coaching at twelve. If you want to, you take like

[00:40:40] Emma & Kate

a junior coaching role. So I took

[00:40:42] Emma & Kate

a junior coaching role at twelve. I took my first comp squad at sixteen,

[00:40:48] Emma & Kate

and I’ll be thirty one later this year. So yeah, a long time now.

[00:40:54] Geoff

Yeah,  well congratulations and Kate, how long have you been involved?

[00:41:00] Emma & Kate

I’ve been involved. This is my Nancy with the club. My daughter started as a gymnast. Well,

[00:41:11] Emma & Kate

nine years ago. And she then progressed competitions,  got within. Probably

[00:41:20] Emma & Kate

a month of giving into the Competition squad.

[00:41:22] Emma & Kate

I was targeted for treasurer and I,

[00:41:26] Emma & Kate

I say that with all love and affection treasurer is a really hard role in

[00:41:30] Emma & Kate

a club. And in today’s world,

[00:41:33] Emma & Kate

you do need some qualification to be able to do it. And I’ve been the treasurer

[00:41:38] Emma & Kate

ever since. My daughter competed for eight years and she’s coached since she was

[00:41:45] Emma & Kate

twelve. She’s still coaching now. She’s just turned sixteen. And interestingly enough, my is,

[00:41:55] Emma & Kate

I think up can’t remember how many I’ve got five nieces. And three of them have

[00:42:02] Emma & Kate

been involved with the club as well to do that. So it does tips and it’s

[00:42:07] Emma & Kate

a family affair. And despite likely not competing anymore,  we both still heavily involved. Um and I, I did make

[00:42:17] Emma & Kate

a promise to Bo that I would say these building projects was the end. And obviously

[00:42:23] Emma & Kate

it’s part of the mine response to here. But I think regardless of whether I’d said

[00:42:27] Emma & Kate

that or not, I would probably still keep going. It,  it is extremely rewarding and it’ll

[00:42:35] Geoff

be, you know, it doesn’t,  it

[00:42:37] Emma & Kate

all it does. And obviously when you’ve got

[00:42:39] Emma & Kate

a daughter who’s competing and gets to a decent level of gymnastics, you know,  you tend to understand

[00:42:45] Emma & Kate

a lot more about sport because I’ve never done gymnastics. My last Mollie choices

[00:42:50] Emma & Kate

for herself just decided one day that she wanted to do it. So here we are nine years later.

[00:42:57] Geoff


[00:42:58] Geoff

So, Emma, what’s your role on the committee?

[00:43:03] Emma & Kate

Yeah,  so technically I don’t sit on the committee and so I’m the head coach. So Competition,  stream, head coach,

[00:43:12] Emma & Kate

and obviously I coach as well. And when we sort of made the transition initially

[00:43:17] Emma & Kate

from a volunteer model to a paid poaching model, we effectively set up

[00:43:22] Emma & Kate

a bit of an executive committee. So as we sort of negotiated some of the things

[00:43:26] Emma & Kate

that come with high char, sorry, hiring staff, performance management,  anything like that, we sort of installed

[00:43:33] Emma & Kate

a bit of an executive committee. So President treasurer secretary and club head

[00:43:37] Emma & Kate

coach. So whilst I don’t hold an active position on the committee,

[00:43:43] Emma & Kate

I’m the club head coach. And it has also meant, obviously that, you know,

[00:43:47] Emma & Kate

sometimes it’s been easier for me to sort of advocate and hassle a bit as the club head coach,

[00:43:53] Emma & Kate

as opposed to necessarily being the President. And you know, there’s been some,

[00:43:59] Emma & Kate

some fierce conversations at some point about when we’ve,

[00:44:02] Emma & Kate

we’ve sort of demanded some support. And our President is amazing. She’s amazing.  And she’s very much

[00:44:11] Emma & Kate

a bit more polished and calm than I can be sometimes. And so she is sometimes she

[00:44:17] Emma & Kate

checks me a little bit before I can tell you, but we’ve got

[00:44:21] Emma & Kate

a great relationship now where she is. She trusts that I will make the right

[00:44:24] Emma & Kate

decision. We just sometimes make them a little bit differently because we’re also so lucky in that,

[00:44:29] Emma & Kate

in that aspect. Like we’ve got this great blend of personalities. I think I take off my father

[00:44:35] Emma & Kate

a little bit which I never really quite knew until his funeral actually. And all

[00:44:41] Emma & Kate

the different eulogies were being presented,

[00:44:43] Emma & Kate

all of these people from all different parts of his life. And I think about twelve have been said,

[00:44:48] Emma & Kate

do now ask for forgiveness later. And I was sitting there thinking.

[00:44:53] Emma & Kate

Yeah, look,

[00:44:53] Emma & Kate

I think I’ve inherited that quality So yeah, I think we’re,

[00:44:59] Emma & Kate

we’ve got this great range of personalities where, you know, marie’s is just

[00:45:03] Emma & Kate

a wonderful communicator and sometimes I’m just like why not?  And it’s worked for us like we’re really good.

[00:45:10] Geoff

I’m very well known marketing guru by the name of Paul McCarthy. Once always says it’s his philosophy ready?

[00:45:18] Geoff

Fire and Dan white. It never be. It’ll never be perfect if you’re waiting for it to

[00:45:24] Geoff

be perfect. I think the opportunity is gone.

[00:45:27] Emma & Kate

Yeah,  I think for us it was just asking why, you know,

[00:45:31] Emma & Kate

people would say no to me and I’d be like, but why?

[00:45:34] Emma & Kate

Like, I’m happy to accept, you know, if you

[00:45:36] Emma & Kate

can show me why, like, you know, I,  I’ve read hours of council meeting minutes. That wasn’t ali’s, you know,

[00:45:44] Emma & Kate

just to find precedent to find, you know,

[00:45:46] Emma & Kate

what gets supported by all of these things. And then I would say, okay,

[00:45:49] Emma & Kate

well you’ve told me no, but what about these twelve? Like, why are we different?

[00:45:54] Emma & Kate

And you just ask why enough times and then you challenge people’s thinking and then

[00:45:57] Emma & Kate

they go, whoa, hold on actually. And I was like okay,  well that’s good. So in he like yeah,

[00:46:06] Geoff

I think you’d be a problem. I’m glad I’m not on the committee. I just kidding. That’s cool.

[00:46:13] Emma & Kate

I’ve been offered

[00:46:14] Emma & Kate

a few jobs in politics in the last twelve months that I don’t think I’ll take, but I

[00:46:19] Geoff

might be worth considering.

[00:46:21] Geoff

It probably would be

[00:46:24] Geoff

Well, I imagine besides the fitness and the skills, learning, friendships,  teamwork, and fun,

[00:46:33] Geoff

would be at the forefront of the focus of hub gymnastics

[00:46:39] Emma & Kate

for creating good humans. Yeah, yeah.  They’re just good humans,

[00:46:45] Emma & Kate

like they have respect for each other. They support each other, they can fail,

[00:46:49] Emma & Kate

they can. I think when you only compete a few times a year,

[00:46:53] Emma & Kate

you really have to enjoy training because you can’t compete every weekend. It’s not like

[00:46:58] Emma & Kate

a football team where you run out and you compete every single weekend. And that

[00:47:02] Emma & Kate

doesn’t happen the gymnastics, and you know,

[00:47:05] Emma & Kate

there’s not fifty per cent of the people that can pay our winner. One person wins.

[00:47:10] Emma & Kate

You might have forty people in your category. And so I think it,  it teaches just way different skills than

[00:47:16] Emma & Kate

a lot of other sports in that aspect. You know,  and the concept of perfecting something. You know,

[00:47:22] Emma & Kate

it’s different. You can do it. Sure. But

[00:47:25] Emma & Kate

you know, how do you then perfected it?  And, but I think for us, you know,

[00:47:29] Emma & Kate

our athletes don’t try in huge hours in comparison to athletes. They compete

[00:47:34] Emma & Kate

against. And it’s not been about that for us. We then generally do

[00:47:41] Emma & Kate

have all the athletes and all the clubs because it is sustainable for the girls.

[00:47:45] Emma & Kate

Does they get fourteen fifteen, sixteen, seventeen. That they do train ten hours

[00:47:51] Emma & Kate

a week. They’re competing against girls training twenty but they also work and they

[00:47:57] Emma & Kate

also still study and they have social lives still. So we have quite a good balance,  I think,

[00:48:02] Emma & Kate

of keeping the kids involved in numerous aspects. So they don’t experience that

[00:48:08] Emma & Kate

burnout quite the same. And I think for us as well, like this year,

[00:48:13] Emma & Kate

so we kind of not the way we teach the building off, but we,

[00:48:16] Emma & Kate

we teach the funding for the building office and we’ve sort of looked at,

[00:48:20] Emma & Kate

I guess what we can contribute to the community around, sorry,  and how you attended

[00:48:25] Emma & Kate

a seminar with our President on the mental health stuff.

[00:48:29] Emma & Kate

And we then funded

[00:48:32] Emma & Kate

and I remember what her name was and but we funded someone to come and present to

[00:48:38] Emma & Kate

our community. So we invited parents, it was gold coin donation. And, you know,

[00:48:44] Emma & Kate

come and learn about teenage mental health is obviously something that we deal with

[00:48:47] Emma & Kate

as coaches and, and all the time. And so we,

[00:48:50] Emma & Kate

we funded that for all parents in our membership, you know, come along,  listen. So I think

[00:48:56] Emma & Kate

a lot of that professional development and stuff is kind of next for us now and

[00:49:00] Emma & Kate

making sure that the athletes, you know,  as they transition into being coaches. And you know,

[00:49:05] Emma & Kate

gymnastics that they do some great stuff where they’re trying to,

[00:49:08] Emma & Kate

to work on that professional development as well. So they do, they use leadership,  they, you know, we sent along,

[00:49:14] Emma & Kate

I think about twelve or fifteen of our athletes and coaches to you know,

[00:49:18] Emma & Kate

work on some of those like team building skills. We’ll do generally,

[00:49:23] Emma & Kate

each time we do like a professional development day in house. So we’ll work on Yes,

[00:49:28] Emma & Kate

there’s coaching aspects to it. But there’s also like behavior aspects,

[00:49:33] Emma & Kate

children’s behavior, you know, trying to I guess, get the girls ready for,  you know,

[00:49:38] Emma & Kate

where those skills will actually take them outside of working for us forever. We’d

[00:49:42] Emma & Kate

love them to work for us forever. But obviously, you know,

[00:49:45] Emma & Kate

careers is calling for them a lot of the time. And so yeah,

[00:49:48] Emma & Kate

just try to work on some of that for professional development is kind of the next

[00:49:51] Emma & Kate

step for us and for our coaching workforce.

[00:49:54] Geoff

I think it’s a good next step to have.

[00:49:57] Geoff

So going back to last year’s awards program,

[00:50:00] Geoff

it must have been really wonderful to be acknowledged for the good work that you

[00:50:05] Geoff

contribute to your local communities. You made the finals.  Course. You attended the event. What,

[00:50:17] Geoff

what are the memories and what are the things that stand out to you as part of the

[00:50:22] Geoff

thrill of first making the finals and being at the event?  And then of Course,

[00:50:28] Geoff

winning the award what stands out to us as the great memories of that of the whole thing.

[00:50:39] Emma & Kate

I think winning and an award outside of gymnastics, sorry, you know,

[00:50:44] Emma & Kate

we obviously have gymnastics South Australia has an awards night. We’ve been

[00:50:49] Emma & Kate

blessed to win a few different awards over the years individually, our coaching,

[00:50:54] Emma & Kate

our athletes, particular programs, and overall we’ve been lucky enough to win

[00:50:58] Emma & Kate

a couple of times. But I think for us,

[00:51:01] Emma & Kate

the thing that we took away from it was our first time that we won an award outside

[00:51:05] Emma & Kate

of that category. You know, said to be able to be recognised, wider and as

[00:51:11] Emma & Kate

a sporting organisation, not necessarily pigeonholed into gymnastics, but like,  you know, as

[00:51:16] Emma & Kate

a sporting organisation that is doing really good work. And I think that was really

[00:51:20] Emma & Kate

cool for us and really awesome for me in particular that it was a category at the

[00:51:26] Emma & Kate

height of, you know, we were competing with a number of sporting when I was Asians,

[00:51:30] Emma & Kate

some of them the amazing programs and really rich history so that was,

[00:51:34] Emma & Kate

that was really cool that it was like okay,  gymnastics is actually getting recognised. Not as an elitist sport,

[00:51:39] Emma & Kate

but actually like listen to the programs that we offer and how it is for everyone.

[00:51:43] Emma & Kate

And yeah, that was really cool.

[00:51:46] Geoff

Yeah,  it must have been great validation for all of your volunteers as well.

[00:51:52] Emma & Kate

Yeah,  I tend to agree with that sentiment. You know,  it. We have invested,

[00:51:59] Emma & Kate

we have been recognized by gymnastics Australia numerous times, but to be in

[00:52:06] Emma & Kate

a room full of organizations that are doing amazing work within their field

[00:52:13] Emma & Kate

was quite humbling as well. You know, to be around those people who just have

[00:52:19] Emma & Kate

a genuine love for what they’re doing.

[00:52:22] Emma & Kate

And I remember I remember sitting,

[00:52:23] Emma & Kate

sitting at a table thinking, you know, my degree was coming up and I was like,

[00:52:28] Emma & Kate

just just stick to it just, you know, because we had been,

[00:52:31] Emma & Kate

we’ve made the semi-finals, I think the year before,  one hundred percent. I can’t remember, I was just,

[00:52:38] Emma & Kate

I was just sit tight just let’s just see how this goes, you know,

[00:52:42] Emma & Kate

and then obviously building up to it and everything and then all this and then to

[00:52:47] Emma & Kate

hear. And I’m code out that we had actually won our category. I think,  I think realistically it was,

[00:52:53] Emma & Kate

it was validation for the hard work that we had put in over many,

[00:52:59] Emma & Kate

many number of years. It wasn’t just that year. You know, it was

[00:53:03] Emma & Kate

a culmination of everything and I think, you know, it was,

[00:53:07] Emma & Kate

it was exciting to be in Korea, you know, and to,

[00:53:11] Emma & Kate

to make that walk up to this stage and you have to give an image. You have to have

[00:53:17] Emma & Kate

a name out there and their voice heard as to the community aspect of what we’re

[00:53:21] Emma & Kate

doing was just super pleasing from my aspect. Yeah.

[00:53:26] Geoff

And as you alluded to and congratulations again. But as you alluded Emirates being recognised outside of the sport,

[00:53:35] Geoff

because what you do in gymnastics is clearly fabulous and outstanding part to be

[00:53:41] Geoff

recognised from the community aspect. You are making

[00:53:45] Geoff

a real community difference just, you know, the hundreds of, of young people,  you know, contributing in a community sense,

[00:53:55] Geoff

equally valuable as is the gymnastics contribution you make. So yeah,

[00:54:02] Geoff

it’s great that you can be recognised in that side of the fence as well. Would you

[00:54:07] Geoff

encourage our listeners to nominate someone for an award subsequently?

[00:54:13] Emma & Kate

Yeah, if you’re not in it, you can’t win it and certainly not so much last year,

[00:54:18] Emma & Kate

but the previous year. It was a tactic of us in terms of, you know,

[00:54:23] Emma & Kate

if you’re not in it, you can’t win it. And, you know,

[00:54:26] Emma & Kate

we wanted to be in the faces of politicians leading into federal elections. We

[00:54:31] Emma & Kate

wanted to be, you know, we know the work we’re doing, but you know,

[00:54:36] Emma & Kate

someone has to sit there and someone has to write the awards and Kate and I wrote

[00:54:40] Emma & Kate

a lot of nominations in the last three years.  But we were always nominating people

[00:54:46] Emma & Kate

who deserves to be nominated. We just had to sit down and make

[00:54:49] Emma & Kate

a conscious effort to dedicate the time to do it. And we’ve had some,

[00:54:54] Emma & Kate

even some of our junior coaches and staff,

[00:54:57] Emma & Kate

they’ve been doing amazing work like they deserve to be nominated. And so we, yeah,

[00:55:02] Emma & Kate

it’s definitely a conscious. It was a conscious decision that if you’re not in it,

[00:55:06] Emma & Kate

you can’t win it. And, you know, people within an organization,

[00:55:10] Emma & Kate

when they know that the work they’re doing, like celebrate it,

[00:55:13] Emma & Kate

shout about it because that’s how you know, you get more support. And that’s how,  you know, like,

[00:55:18] Emma & Kate

you want your membership to know that that’s why you’re doing stuff for them and,

[00:55:22] Emma & Kate

and it does generate, you know, families will say to us all the time,

[00:55:25] Emma & Kate

like they love the community, feel an aspect of the club. But that’s a conscious decision, like, you know,

[00:55:30] Emma & Kate

that is what the volunteer committee make every single decision with that in mind.

[00:55:35] Emma & Kate

Like that is our ethos. That is what we’re trying to bring. That’s the feel that we

[00:55:38] Emma & Kate


[00:55:38] Emma & Kate

So is this decision we’re making reflecting that

[00:55:43] Emma & Kate

in nominating as well?  So don’t. Now I think, you know,

[00:55:48] Emma & Kate

organizations are not very quick to promote and so from that aspect of it, you know,

[00:55:55] Emma & Kate

you pay your advertising and you pay your marketing and you do all that sort of

[00:55:59] Emma & Kate

stuff to sell your brand,  but nominating for these type of awards is another way of selling your brand,

[00:56:06] Emma & Kate

and I think you know, whilst you know,

[00:56:09] Emma & Kate

it’s not the sole reason you do it. But as an organization, you need to have

[00:56:14] Emma & Kate

a voice out there and be prepared to tell people your story and that. So that’s all

[00:56:19] Emma & Kate

we did with this nomination, we told a story,  and it worked. So I think any organization out there,

[00:56:29] Emma & Kate

just don’t be afraid to nominate because you never know what might come out of that.

[00:56:34] Geoff

Yeah, fantastic. Thank you. Well,

[00:56:36] Geoff

a big shoutout to hub gymnastics club for what you have done over the past. Forty almost is absolutely Brilliant,

[00:56:47] Geoff

because fifty can count.

[00:56:50] Emma & Kate

So we’re getting close to forty. There’ll be

[00:56:51] Emma & Kate

a birthday we’ll send you the invite. For me that may day throw

[00:56:56] Emma & Kate

a good party. That’s the one time that Kate lets me have some money. Well,

[00:57:00] Geoff

that sounds good as long as you don’t expect me to get on an apparatus and. And I

[00:57:04] Geoff

press Allegro and the big shout also big shout out also to Woolworths for their

[00:57:11] Geoff

support of the awards and the community very broadly, of Course. But in this case,

[00:57:17] Geoff

the community achievement awards and the awards wouldn’t be possible without Woolworths and our other community minded partners for making

[00:57:26] Geoff

a difference. And if any of our listeners would like to nominate someone,

[00:57:30] Geoff

please head to our awardsaustralia.com website. Or if you’re interested in sponsored partnership opportunities,

[00:57:39] Geoff

contact me geoff@awardsaustralia.com. We’d like to find out more

[00:57:44] Geoff

about how to nominate someone or being involved. Send me an email,

[00:57:49] Geoff

don’t be shy. I’ll be very offended if you don’t get it. Give me a drop me an email. And

[00:57:57] Geoff

also of Course,  how do people find out more about hub gymnastics here?  Our listeners get in contact.

[00:58:09] Emma & Kate

We’ve got and various different social media, so you can find us on Facebook,

[00:58:13] Emma & Kate

but it’s an Instagram live. We’ve got a website as well, so I have gymnastics,

[00:58:17] Geoff

I’d say the first click on or type in hub gymnastics on Facebook,

[00:58:24] Geoff

Instagram, and on the website, or Google. How get go without finding.

[00:58:30] Geoff


[00:58:31] Geoff

I’m sure there are plenty of our listeners particularly local to the area who are

[00:58:36] Geoff

thinking I need to get my daughter or son or South kids

[00:58:43] Geoff

involved in some way or form. Or if people want to volunteer. Very tired superstar

[00:58:49] Geoff

coach want to get back into it, get in contact, or if just want to volunteer, make

[00:58:56] Geoff

a difference. It certainly would be. Do you have any words of wisdom or advice for

[00:59:02] Geoff

our listeners that are involved with a club or an organisation?  You’ve been, have given lots of ideas,

[00:59:08] Geoff

but any words of wisdom or advice you can share with others.

[00:59:17] Emma & Kate

Ooh, you want to go for that.

[00:59:18] Emma & Kate

I can, my being a parent obviously comes with a different territory. But I would just say,

[00:59:28] Emma & Kate

don’t ever underestimate the impact you can have by being involved in,

[00:59:34] Emma & Kate

not only your children’s sporting whatever it might be that they’re interested in.  But in a club in general,

[00:59:46] Emma & Kate

I would say that gymnastics has become somewhat of

[00:59:49] Emma & Kate

a family to me through just my involvement and that came from my daughter being

[00:59:56] Emma & Kate

involved. So I think just never underestimate what you can achieve

[01:00:01] Geoff

and get involved.  Emma,

[01:00:06] Emma & Kate

I think for me and words of wisdom would just say no, no,

[01:00:12] Emma & Kate

your point of difference and what you do well. So I think for us,

[01:00:16] Emma & Kate

we really believe the things that we do well and we believe the things that we do

[01:00:22] Emma & Kate

that are different. And then all of our decisions that we make are backed up by

[01:00:27] Emma & Kate

that. So I think if you just, you know,

[01:00:29] Emma & Kate

your brand and you know what it is that you do really well,

[01:00:32] Emma & Kate

and that’s what you do. You stick to things. So, you know, for us,  we all that community ethos club,

[01:00:37] Emma & Kate

it is first and foremost about creating good humans. And if they learn gymnastics

[01:00:42] Emma & Kate

as well, wonderful. And you know, for us like really knowing what it is that you,

[01:00:47] Emma & Kate

you do and you do well of just having that in mind every time you make

[01:00:51] Emma & Kate

a decision or you advocate for yourself or for the club.

[01:00:56] Geoff

Yeah. Good advice from you both, Kate,

[01:00:59] Geoff

I would have you were gonna say your advice would be don’t become treasurer, but not

[01:01:07] Emma & Kate

have to I it’s one talent that I do have that I can give back.

[01:01:11] Emma & Kate

You know, that’s what I do play my own sport. Don’t get me wrong,

[01:01:16] Emma & Kate

but you know, I can, I can deal with numbers and,  and I’ve put my talent to good use. So

[01:01:26] Geoff

my ad for hub gymnastics is that it’s so critical to get young ones young people involved in community in

[01:01:36] Geoff

a sport,  in something where you’re learning discipline. But you’re learning to teamwork

[01:01:43] Geoff

and gain friendships in a way is absolutely critical for everybody,

[01:01:49] Geoff

but young people in particular. Well, it’s been a real pleasure,

[01:01:53] Geoff

Kate and Emma. Thank you so much for your time today. Congratulations. And thank

[01:01:59] Geoff

you. On behalf of the community that you serve and support for all that you do. And

[01:02:04] Geoff

on behalf of our listeners,  for words of wisdom for teaching us that resilience pays off be patient believe

[01:02:13] Geoff

in your one purpose bond together and to make

[01:02:17] Geoff

a difference. So thank you so much. It’s been absolutely amazing and thank so much

[01:02:24] Geoff

to our listeners for being with us as well for the past hour,

[01:02:29] Geoff

hopefully of all kinds, inspiration today, and until next time. Be safe,

[01:02:35] Geoff

have fun and be kind because together we make a difference. Thank you very much,

[01:02:42] Geoff

Kate and Emma. It’s been fun.

[01:02:44] Emma & Kate

Thank you.

[01:02:46] Geoff

Thoroughly enjoyed the talk to you.

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